[Ron] Sure there are non-verbal concepts, art, music, what I am stressing and I believe Arlo too, is that intellectual concepts align with semiotic rules of comprehension.
[Arlo] We are on the same page, Ron, but I wouldn't use the phrase "non-verbal concepts". Concepts are, I'd argue, verbal. There are non-verbal, pre-intellectual, aesthetic experiences, sure. But those are all pre-language. The moment you try to put it into language, boom... mutation. Also, I'd argue that art and music are indeed semiotically mediated languages. A painting is no different than a novel, and a dance is no different than a poem. Each use an expressive, and socially-mediated, symbol system to attempt to convey a thought or a concept. And just as we have to learn words to read a book, we have to learn similar devices to "read" art. This is why you can a show a Picasso to an Aboriginal and he might say "so what?". He has not learned the culturally-specific language-system of reading our "art". It is why Ham hears a digideroo and puts his hands over his ears. This draws from Derrada's sense that "all is text". What he means is that we "read" everything, from situations to books, from art to videogames. They are all "texts" that we consume via learning specific cultural historical languages. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
