-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heather Perella Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MD] WHY MoQ IS PARALYzED
Ron: > Please read these > links for a better > Understanding, they are not long but deliver the > situation in > Greater detail. Take you a couple of minutes to read > both > And would aid greatly in understanding where I'm > coming > From. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_white_horse_is_not_a_horse > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary/secondary_quality_distinction SA: I'll get to these when I have a chance. I'm getting focused on other activities in my free time now, probably due to the warmer weather. Yesterday I slept a lot, very busy at work, and watchin' the young one while wife is working extra hours coaching volleyball. After work, I'm cleaning, cooking dinner, playing outside with the son, and trying to rest when I can, etc... since we're both busy and I don't want the house to get all messed up. I'll respond to these below. I've read your summary of the 'white hourse is not a horse' before in your comments to Bo, but I'm sure some wording details might be missing from my comments if I don't read these links you provided. I'll try to get to them. > SA previously: First off, have we decided what dq and sq are > to take that next step to interpret a noun? > Ron: > That's exactly what Pirsig is proposing with the > DQ/SQ concept. This is THE step. SA: I wondering, what's the big deal about the moq not being fully defined? Ron: I feel, the establishment of a common understanding in which to base our approach would only advance it's use and meaning. Certainly what MoQ talks about can not be fully defined because it is experience itself. Certainly the word (noun) Quality can not definitely be defined. The words We use change meaning in use and over time so even if it were defined it would change. I really don't think you could Fully define MoQ if you tried, I think understanding MoQ means not having to defend this aspect, its an Intellectual pattern, it exists as concept only, it is a description of experience In terms. Whats the big deal with not defining it? What MoQ explains is how language parts up experience in order to be understood and communicated conceptually. When I say language, I mean that entity which is part and parcel of Our cultural and intellectual experience. So what MoQ is partially about is linguistically (therefore conceptually) defining things in terms of DQ/SQ. MoQ is about a way to more accurately talk about experience and therefore a more accurate understanding of experience. It transcends our cultural/intellectual paradigm by redefining how nouns and There fore "things" are termed and conceptualized. This is how it is able to Stand outside of Bo's intellectual level. But if he conceded that our cultural/intellectual level/linguistic entity is not the only one on The planet he could see that and solve his enigma. But no, he has to create This elaborate system of redirection like a three stooges plumbing gag when They attempt to fix a leak by redirecting it around themselves in a web of pipe ultimately diverting it on them trapped inside. But all hail the king. I leave him to his dilemma. I just want to get some things out there. Quality is an English word. Robert Pirsig redefines it to mean experience/reality in his metaphysic Of Quality. The English word, redefined by Robert Pirsig, Is not reality/experience. It is a term in which to conceptualize it in reference to his metaphysic. By insisting that Robert Pisigs redefinition of the English word Quality Can not be defined. You then keep Quality from being discussed. You do not Allow DQ/SQ to fulfill it's function. If quality can not be defined quality can not be discussed. A metaphysic that can not be discussed is useless. Pirsig is not saying drop your language and culture he is saying re-examine How it interprets knowledge and experience. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
