Ian,
As you and Arlo go after Platt, it would seem Ron
and I have been going after Bo for some time. What's
the difference? Maybe your being too hard on Platt?
SA
--- ian glendinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Utter garbage Platt.
> (Oops, did I say that out loud ?)
> Ian
>
> On 5/14/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Quoting Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > > [Platt]
> > > > Pirsig explains what this means: "Because of
> his different metaphysical
> > > > orientation Phaedrus saw instantly that those
> seemingly trivial,
> > > > unimportant, "spur of the moment" decisions
> that Mayr was talking about,
> > > > the decisions that directed the progress of
> evolution are, in fact.
> > > > Dynamic Quality itself. Dynamic Quality, the
> source of all things, the
> > > > pre-intellectual cutting edge of reality,
> always appears as "spur of the
> > > > moment" Where else could it. appear?" (Lila,
> 11)
> > > >
> > > > [Krimel]
> > > > Thanks for pointing this out it is exactly
> what I have been saying; DQ
> > > > _is_ the "spur of the moment" chance event.
> And the summation of those
> > > > chance events is the source of all thing, etc.
> > >
> > > [Platt]
> > > Where do you see "chance event" in the passage?
> > >
> > > [Krimel]
> > > Where do you find anything else in "... those
> seemingly trivial,
> > > unimportant, 'spur of the moment' decisions..."
> these are the decisions that
> > > Mayr was talking about. Earlier Pirsig
> summarized Mayr by saying:
> > >
> > > "Evolution is recklessly opportunistic: it
> favors any variation that
> > > provides a competitive advantage over other
> members of an organism's own
> > > population or over individuals of different
> species. For billions of years
> > > this process has automatically fueled what we
> call evolutionary progress. No
> > > program controlled or directed this progression.
> It was the result of spur
> > > of the moment decisions of natural selection.
> > >
> > > Mayr certainly seemed to consider the matter
> settled and this attitude, no
> > > doubt, reflected a consensus among everyone
> except anti-evolutionists."
> > >
> > > He then identifies this with DQ. Pirsig
> obviously wants a sugar coated
> > > version of this but it doesn't fly and seriously
> mars the whole of Chapter
> > > 11.
> >
> > I consider Chapter 11 one of the most important in
> the literature of evolution.
> > It answers the question Dawinian evolutionists
> can't -- Why survive? It also
> > provides a explanation for the increase in
> versatility and freedom so evident
> > in evolution, from amoeba to man. It fills in the
> knowledge gap left by appeals
> > to "chance" which in effect means, "I don't know."
> In short, it picks up where
> > science quits.
> >
> >
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