SA, (1) I don't "go after" Platt, I follow along sincerely when subjects arise on the off chance he may be being sincere, and we might both learn something from dialogue - then I indicate when I've given up. I can be (and have been) much harder on Platt if and when I choose.
(2) The difference is, yes you are having a falling out with Bo (and yes a bit of emotional name-calling arises, it happens in disagreements and misunderstandings, particularly where people are passionately interested in their subject - it's a good sign of caring), and I still believe you are all being sincere in wanting to understand the differences. Platt is irredeemable by choice. Yours is a recent and local difficulty. Who are the strong, who are the trusted ? What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding ? Ian On 5/14/08, Heather Perella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ian, > > As you and Arlo go after Platt, it would seem Ron > and I have been going after Bo for some time. What's > the difference? Maybe your being too hard on Platt? > > > SA > --- ian glendinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Utter garbage Platt. > > (Oops, did I say that out loud ?) > > Ian > > > > On 5/14/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Quoting Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > > [Platt] > > > > > Pirsig explains what this means: "Because of > > his different metaphysical > > > > > orientation Phaedrus saw instantly that those > > seemingly trivial, > > > > > unimportant, "spur of the moment" decisions > > that Mayr was talking about, > > > > > the decisions that directed the progress of > > evolution are, in fact. > > > > > Dynamic Quality itself. Dynamic Quality, the > > source of all things, the > > > > > pre-intellectual cutting edge of reality, > > always appears as "spur of the > > > > > moment" Where else could it. appear?" (Lila, > > 11) > > > > > > > > > > [Krimel] > > > > > Thanks for pointing this out it is exactly > > what I have been saying; DQ > > > > > _is_ the "spur of the moment" chance event. > > And the summation of those > > > > > chance events is the source of all thing, etc. > > > > > > > > [Platt] > > > > Where do you see "chance event" in the passage? > > > > > > > > [Krimel] > > > > Where do you find anything else in "... those > > seemingly trivial, > > > > unimportant, 'spur of the moment' decisions..." > > these are the decisions that > > > > Mayr was talking about. Earlier Pirsig > > summarized Mayr by saying: > > > > > > > > "Evolution is recklessly opportunistic: it > > favors any variation that > > > > provides a competitive advantage over other > > members of an organism's own > > > > population or over individuals of different > > species. For billions of years > > > > this process has automatically fueled what we > > call evolutionary progress. No > > > > program controlled or directed this progression. > > It was the result of spur > > > > of the moment decisions of natural selection. > > > > > > > > Mayr certainly seemed to consider the matter > > settled and this attitude, no > > > > doubt, reflected a consensus among everyone > > except anti-evolutionists." > > > > > > > > He then identifies this with DQ. Pirsig > > obviously wants a sugar coated > > > > version of this but it doesn't fly and seriously > > mars the whole of Chapter > > > > 11. > > > > > > I consider Chapter 11 one of the most important in > > the literature of evolution. > > > It answers the question Dawinian evolutionists > > can't -- Why survive? It also > > > provides a explanation for the increase in > > versatility and freedom so evident > > > in evolution, from amoeba to man. It fills in the > > knowledge gap left by appeals > > > to "chance" which in effect means, "I don't know." > > In short, it picks up where > > > science quits. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > Archives: > > > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
