Interesting Ron, Arlo, This is leading us to the "immediate participation before (typically objective)intellectualization" story (if we weren't already there), but Ron,
Why do you say it [the immediate response to Quality] "makes the MoQ questionable as to being axiomatic this way" ? Could you elaborate / explain that point ? Are you suggesting it is even more fundamental in some way than simply axiomatic of the MoQ ? (and hence the misundersanding with Bo in another thread) Ian On 5/14/08, Ron Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [Platt] > A particular person? Then why does Pirsig write, "Any person of any > philosophic persuasion who sits on a hot stove will verify without > any intellectual argument whatsoever that he is in an undeniably > low-quality situation: that the value of his predicament is > negative." (Lila, 5) Get it -- ANY PERSON. > > [Arlo] > > But, I will say, if Pirsig is implying that all humans with similar > biological constucts respond on the biological level to some > inorganic stimuli in more or less the same way, I would agree. Human > bodies biologically respond to "hunger" the same way (increased > stomach acid, energy deficiencies, etc). But each bounded organism > has its own unique threshold, its own unique responses, and over time > may come to "experience" hunger along a range of "low quality" to > "high quality" as this inorganic experience becomes mediated by > social and cultural patterns. > > When this monk sets himself on fire in intellectual protest, do you > see any evidence that he perceived his experience to be "low > quality"? (http://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V3627) > > > Ron: > How co-incidental, I was thinking of that same footage when > Reading your post. > On a side note, I think your statement is accurate, we all respond to > Stimuli in more or less the same way and in that aspect we > Respond to Quality. we still like to think objectively > About this statement. All in all it is this response to Quality that > Makes the MoQ questionable as to it being axiomatic in this way. > The proof lies in the fact that we all respond to Quality. > Not equally as you state, but that instant "no thinking" response > Is something all of us shares. It's this commonality that is the most > certain In our experience. > What do you think this? > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
