Ian:
So you are indeed saying it's more fundamental than axiomatic - we
really do "know it" independent of the MoQ. (Sincerely BTW that is
what I was trying to get Platt to say or deny in the line of
questioning about his capital "T")

You may be right.
I already think you are right.
Bob almost certainly beleves it too.
I'm sure most MoQists do, except ....

But you can see why it's pointless to argue about proving or explaining
it ?
It's the angels on the head of the pin.
Language always brings us up to the intellectual level again.

I say, take a holiday(*), and become a neo-pragmatist - the water's
lovely.
(*) after William James
Ian

Ron;
I 'm with you Ian.



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