Hi Ian/Ron
Do we all experience pain in the same way?
I remember reading about how for the ancients
Greeks, pain was an experience that provided the
opportunity to demonstrate how manly and herioc
they were. Not how I find myself experiencing it,
ouch, I want my mommy!
David M
Interesting Ron, Arlo,
This is leading us to the "immediate participation before (typically
objective)intellectualization" story (if we weren't already there),
but Ron,
Why do you say it [the immediate response to Quality] "makes the MoQ
questionable as to being axiomatic this way" ?
Could you elaborate / explain that point ? Are you suggesting it is
even more fundamental in some way than simply axiomatic of the MoQ ?
(and hence the misundersanding with Bo in another thread)
Ian
On 5/14/08, Ron Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[Platt]
A particular person? Then why does Pirsig write, "Any person of any
philosophic persuasion who sits on a hot stove will verify without
any intellectual argument whatsoever that he is in an undeniably
low-quality situation: that the value of his predicament is
negative." (Lila, 5) Get it -- ANY PERSON.
[Arlo]
But, I will say, if Pirsig is implying that all humans with similar
biological constucts respond on the biological level to some
inorganic stimuli in more or less the same way, I would agree. Human
bodies biologically respond to "hunger" the same way (increased
stomach acid, energy deficiencies, etc). But each bounded organism
has its own unique threshold, its own unique responses, and over time
may come to "experience" hunger along a range of "low quality" to
"high quality" as this inorganic experience becomes mediated by
social and cultural patterns.
When this monk sets himself on fire in intellectual protest, do you
see any evidence that he perceived his experience to be "low
quality"? (http://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V3627)
Ron:
How co-incidental, I was thinking of that same footage when
Reading your post.
On a side note, I think your statement is accurate, we all respond to
Stimuli in more or less the same way and in that aspect we
Respond to Quality. we still like to think objectively
About this statement. All in all it is this response to Quality that
Makes the MoQ questionable as to it being axiomatic in this way.
The proof lies in the fact that we all respond to Quality.
Not equally as you state, but that instant "no thinking" response
Is something all of us shares. It's this commonality that is the most
certain In our experience.
What do you think this?
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