MD Group, I find it interesting that we continue to go round and round (I think it is now over 7 + years) on this issue of what is the intellectual level and what does it mean and how do we discern what an intellectual value is. This is a really good question with a variety of possible solutions and understandings, some possibilities good, some lacking. I thought I would provide some humble thoughts on the matter with the disclaimer that overall I personally think Bodvar's approach with S/O divide being the basis for the intellectual level (in the static form) being the best one going. I am amazed that he is able to endless explain and re-explain his point of view with only recently in the past year with some people "Getting it" to some degree. That being said here is a series of questions that might provide a litmus test to anybody who thinks they (including Bodvar) are able to better define or understand what the Intellectual level and intellectual values are.
1. How does your definition or understanding of intellectual level/value differentiate the social level from the intellectual level as well as social values from intellectual values? 2. Given there is a evolutionary process to each of the levels, what is a possible historical point in which represents the likelihood for the birth of the Intellectual level, and what is the basis for this period/event(s) chosen? 3. I think (an assumption of mine) that both social and intellectual levels use language, but in different ways. Please describe how each level utilizes language to sustain its level? 4. Given that intellectual values dominate it's parent level, the social level, yet must sustain and maintain a relative harmony with the social level. Given your definition or understanding of intellectual levels how do intellectual values do that? I have read Lila and much of Pirsig's work and am very familiar with what Lila has to say about some of these questions in a general context. Yet in Pirsig's letter to Paul Turner he seems to have made his final contribution to this question. In a private final correspondence with him long ago, about a research question related to this very question of intellectual values, he more or less has hung his hat his letter to Paul Turner in his addressing the intellectual level. That being said, and with the deepest sense of respect and gratitude for Mr. Pirsig, I feel that we have failed to really move forward on this question. Again I think Bodvar's approach, begins to provide the capacity to approach these, I believe, essential questions. Thus providing us with the capacity to move MOQ forward. Sincerely, Mati Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
