Hi Ron: > Platt: > I'm glad to see you vigorously supporting American cultural values, > especially free market capitalism and social/intellect freedom. I > couldn't > agree with you more. Our argument, if any, is over the meaning and > practice > of multiculturalism. My view is well expressed in Wikipedia under > "Opposition to multiculturalism" in the U.S: > > "In the United States especially, multiculturalism became associated > with political > correctness <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness> and > with > the rise of ethnic identity > politics<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics>. > In the 1980s and 1990s many criticisms were expressed, from both the > left > and right. Criticisms come from a wide variety of perspectives, but > predominantly from the perspective of liberal > individualism<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism>, > from American conservatives > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism>concerned about values, and > from a national unity perspective." > > Ron: > Then I got you right Platt, the SOM culture conflict is what this is all > about. I think what needs to be emphasized in this discussion is that > none > of us buys it. It's what makes us MoQers. But the reality of it is that > most of the country DOES buy it. which makes it dangerous and a crisis. > My hope is if we can keep this in the foreground of our discussions > then maybe we might come up with some possible solutions. > > Thanks for clearing that up Platt.
Can you explain what you mean by "SOM culture conflict?" Can you give some examples of what "none us buys?" Are you referring to the conflict between socialism and free enterprise? Or the conflict between intellectuals and the social order? I ask because you vigorously defend America's foundation and principles, i.e., values -- something I doubt you would do if it was "dangerous and a crisis" to do so. For me the MOQ is not something to be treated as something apart from current conflicts. In fact, just the opposite. If it has any chance of surviving, it must shed light on the problems of everyday life. Do you agree? Platt > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Ron Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Ham, > > > > Well said. By daring to state the truth you can expect the usual > slimes > > from > > the collectivists because they can't form a cogent argument to refute > > your > > points. Thus, the hysterics and name-calling. > > > > Hello Ham, Platt, > > >From what I gather you both reject the foundation and principles The > > United States of America stands on. > > It's very success is multiculturalism > > democracy DEMANDS multiculturalism > > Capitalism THRIVES in multiculturalism > > > > By rejecting multiculturalism you reject all that America stands for. > > > > you reject true democracy. you reject free market enterprise. > > you reject the very flower of diversity that makes this country > thrive. > > > > you reject intellectual and social freedom. > > > > > > is this " cogent " enough? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
