Hi Marsha
I think we experience without concepts and there are patterns
we experience before we name them, then language enables
us to trace out and name these patterns and this skill can
be taken further and used to trace out more patterns that
pre-linguistic experience could not use. Language enables
an increasing ability to trace out patterns, some patterns
are closer to causes others to possibilities, all equally real,
whether having pre or post linguistic identities.
DM
At 03:32 PM 10/23/2008, you wrote:
Hi Marsha
When you eat an apple I'd suggest that a pre-linguistic pattern
repeats, i.e. the taste, of course we trace the patterns that are
ofhuman interest to us like the horizon but nature is not just a
flux thereis order and change, SQ and DQ, with new SQ
continuing to emerge via both nature and culture, all patterns
to the MOQ.
DM,
I don't understand your response to my post. Is an organic pattern named
tree, actual phenomena or is it conceptual pattern referring to phenomena?
Yes, DQ is the flow though which all patterns change.
Marsha
SA,
A bit of a new beginning.
When I say the nature of all patterns is conceptual, I'm saying that
patterns are mental in nature. They are held in minds. What an
individual pattern refers to can be categorized as inorganic, biological,
social and intellectual. This is important. The pattern is the static
part of the experience, it is not the experience.
The referent of inorganic and biological level patterns are external,
natural phenomenon. Kind of like things. But there really are no
'things'. There are only ever-changing, interrelated, overlapping
systems and processes. Nature does not name, define or isolate.
The referent of social and intellectual level patterns are ideas. I
understand Intellectual-static-patterns-of-value to be "defined very
loosely as the level of independently manipulable signs. Grammar, logic
and mathematics can be described as the rules of this sign manipulation."
(letter to Paul Turn 2003)
Let's not get into the problems of intellectual spov versus thinking.
Thinking is not an indication of a intellectual-static-pattern-of-value.
Thinking to me is a tool like seeing, hearing, touching, tasting and
smelling.
What do you think?
Marsha
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The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a
reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony without
end.
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