Marsha:
When I say the nature of all patterns is conceptual, I'm saying that
patterns are mental in nature. They are held in minds. What an
individual pattern refers to can be categorized as inorganic,
biological, social and intellectual. This is important. The
pattern is the static part of the experience, it is not the experience.
woods:
Yes, pattern is the static part of the experience. Yet, I still find
organic
patterns, social patterns, inorganic patterns, and intellectual patterns. You
seem to be focused upon intellectual patterns.
Marsha:
The referent of inorganic and biological level patterns are external,
natural phenomenon. Kind of like things. But there really are no
'things'. There are only ever-changing, interrelated, overlapping
systems and processes. Nature does not name, define or isolate.
woods:
A tree defines it's self with its' own patterned system. Yet, it is
rooted in the earth and part of a larger world. Independent things
aren't around. Yet, the tree does have its' own pattern that this
tree is developing without my intellectual patterning as to what this
tree pattern is. The tree will pattern whether I'm intellectualizing
about this tree, and thus overlaying my intellectual patterns upon
this tree or not.
Marsha:
The referent of social and intellectual level patterns are ideas. I
understand Intellectual-static-patterns-of-value to be "defined very
loosely as the level of independently manipulable signs. Grammar,
logic and mathematics can be described as the rules of this sign
manipulation." (letter to Paul Turn 2003)
Let's not get into the problems of intellectual spov versus
thinking. Thinking is not an indication of a
intellectual-static-pattern-of-value. Thinking to me is a tool like
seeing, hearing, touching, tasting and smelling.
What do you think?
woods:
I'm not going to get in this. Ok.
woods
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