>woods previously:
>     Yes, pattern is the static part of the experience.  Yet, I 
> still find organic
>patterns, social patterns, inorganic patterns, and intellectual 
>patterns.  You
>seem to be focused upon intellectual patterns.


Marsha:
No I am not focusing on intellectual patterns.  I'm stating that the 
static part of all patterns of value are in human minds.


woods:
    I don't know what you mean.  The static part of social patterns are 
social spov's.



>woods:
>     A tree defines it's self with its' own patterned system.  Yet, it is
>rooted in the earth and part of a larger world.  Independent things
>aren't around.  Yet, the tree does have its' own pattern that this
>tree is developing without my intellectual patterning as to what this
>tree pattern is.  The tree will pattern whether I'm intellectualizing
>about this tree, and thus overlaying my intellectual patterns upon
>this tree or not.


Marsha:
A phenomena, like a tree, does not exist as an independent entity in 
nature.

woods:
    Right.  A tree has roots into the earth and breaths air and gets light 
for food from the sun.  This isn't a rock.  This is a tree.

Marsha:
  Nature doesn't differentiate, humans do using static 
patterns.  

woods:
    A tree differentiates itself from a rock and vice verse.


Marsha:
    Without the static pattern of value there is no differentiated tree.

  woods:
   It's not a rock.  It's a tree.  The tree and rock differentiate themselves.


Marsha:
I don't think we can go any further.  Our understanding of patterns 
is too far apart.
Thank you, I've enjoyed the exchange.



woods:
ok, it seems that way.


woods

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