At 01:39 PM 10/20/2008, you wrote:
>woods previously:
> Yes, pattern is the static part of the experience. Yet, I
> still find organic
>patterns, social patterns, inorganic patterns, and intellectual
>patterns. You
>seem to be focused upon intellectual patterns.
Marsha:
No I am not focusing on intellectual patterns. I'm stating that the
static part of all patterns of value are in human minds.
woods:
I don't know what you mean. The static part of social patterns are
social spov's.
Marsha:
I'm saying the content might be inorganic, biological, social or
intellectual, but the vehicle (pattern) is mental.
>woods:
> A tree defines it's self with its' own patterned system. Yet, it is
>rooted in the earth and part of a larger world. Independent things
>aren't around. Yet, the tree does have its' own pattern that this
>tree is developing without my intellectual patterning as to what this
>tree pattern is. The tree will pattern whether I'm intellectualizing
>about this tree, and thus overlaying my intellectual patterns upon
>this tree or not.
Marsha:
A phenomena, like a tree, does not exist as an independent entity in
nature.
woods:
Right. A tree has roots into the earth and breaths air and gets light
for food from the sun. This isn't a rock. This is a tree.
Marsha:
Nature doesn't differentiate any of these things. Not tree, root,
earth, air, light, food, sun, rock or tree. These names and their
associated definitions are human invention.
It is human nature to dissect, name and define, but not Nature. But
as we are not separate from Nature, this dissecting, naming, and
defining is a natural process too.
I'm just investigating static patterns of value. I am curious. Does
it matter? Probably not so much. Better to experience the wind pass
across my forehead.
Marsha:
Nature doesn't differentiate, humans do using static
patterns.
woods:
A tree differentiates itself from a rock and vice verse.
Marsha:
I do not think a tree experiences itself as a separate entity. Nor a rock.
Marsha:
Without the static pattern of value there is no differentiated tree.
woods:
It's not a rock. It's a tree. The tree and rock differentiate
themselves.
Marsha:
I don't think so. As I said above, a tree doesn't experience having
a self. Neither does a rock.
Marsha:
I don't think we can go any further. Our understanding of patterns
is too far apart.
Thank you, I've enjoyed the exchange.
woods:
ok, it seems that way.
Marsha:
The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a
reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony without end.
.
.
Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.........
.
.
Moq_Discuss mailing list
Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
Archives:
http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
