Hi Andre, > Andre to Platt: > > I am referring here to your own experiece in America. And it appears to > me > that what you are hearing , seeing and feeling IS NOT REPRESENTED BY ANY > HUMAN BEING AT ALL! It creates what it wants to justify and justifies > what > it has created in the name of intellect. > > Platt: > > Examples? > > Andre: > > The example of Iraq, to which I have just responded. > > The example of the financial crisis, discussed widely here, where people > nearly fell off their seats (so it seemed) finding out what had been > going > on behind the scenes and behind your own backs.The creation of money out > of > thin air and devising very complicated structures to somehow have this > money > materialise...with all the associated (world wide) consequences. > > In general, what I am getting at Platt, is the wheeling and dealing, the > scheming,the manipulating in Governments' and business' back rooms. > > Things we are not privy to, we always seem to find out well after the > fact.
Point well taken. Government should be an open book. Business, however, is another story. To deny it a right to privacy assumes it exists only by permission of government. Of course, such presumption kills a free market. > Platt: > > Harmony? The intellectual level as seen from the MOQ perspective doesn't > recognize any moral levels at all --social, biological, or organic -- > because it doesn't recognize morals except as being randomly subjective. > > Andre: > > Unfortunately you are correct Platt. Do you agree that the way forward > is > the MoQ way of thinking? That is what we are trying to do here I > thought...to find ways of creating more 'harmony' with and within our > parent > level? Sure. Let's not forgot to "harmonize" we need to encourage breaking the bounds of social level conformity without weakening the social level's role in keeping murderous biological patterns at bay. > Platt: > > He says suffering drives moral evolution. But you'll have to show me > where > he says one has to suffer to have pure experience prior to concepts. > > Andre: > > I didn't put this very clearly Platt. I should have said that the > appreciation of freedom can only be fully understood after having > suffered > un-freedom. Excellent point. I fully agree. > And I am referring to things we as Westerners take for granted. > Here in China, I have to watch what I say in class! > People here are allowed to think what they like but are not allowed to > act > on these if it is not approved by the Party. There is no freedom of > movement, no freedom of speech etc etc. > > Hope I have clarified this. Yes, thanks! Something we in the West who value freedom must guard against. I fear laws being proposed to punish so called "hate speech" move in the direction of Chinese Party tyranny.. By the way, I think you've answered my question in a previous post, "What am I missing?" Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
