Ron:
I was waiting for this comment, NO. Remember the illusion conversations? We are 
recognizing an
ultimate reality, we just realize that what we know of it is a static 
conceptualization of infinitly
running stimuli or qualia.
This doesent mean we should abandon sceince, this simply means that we must 
take great care in fashioning
our analogies and checking our predictions against existing explainations and 
observable phenomena.

The signal of truth or trueness is the recognition of patterns of harmony which 
is partly what we mean by a scientific
 explaination.





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From: Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:24:18 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] The Menu/Reality issue

[Ham]
Despite the confusion, it's apparent that at least three of us understand 
that the "patterning" of Value is conceptual, which is to say that objective

phenomena are the intellectual constructs of value perception.

> [Marsha]
> I cannot think of SPoVs as anything but conceptual.
> SPoVs are known (conceptual [value]), phenomenon is
> direct experience (value) until a recognized pattern.

> [Ron]
> Thats the way I see it too Marsha. SPoV are conceptual
> understandings about dynamic quality.

[Krimel]
So for the three of you life, the universe and everything can be reduced to
mental events? Isn't that just a form of radical subjectism; even solipsism?

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