At 03:01 AM 11/15/2008, you wrote:
Marsha.
14 Nov. you wrote:
Ham:
> > > Despite the confusion, it's apparent that at least three of us
> > > understand that the "patterning" of Value is conceptual, which is
> > > to say that objective phenomena are the intellectual constructs of
> > > value perception.
> >Bo:
> >No confusion anywhere. The patterns being conceptual!!! Christ,
> >what's not conceptual in the sense of being conveyed by language?
Marsha:
> While I understand spovs to be conceptual, no way do I understand that
> to mean they are confined to language. Images may be part of any
> spov, or there may be an auditory part of a spov. What do you think?
Methinks that concepts (ideas) belongs to intellect's subjective realm
different from its objective one. Nothing wrong with the intellectual
level if understood in its MOQ context, namely that its subjective and
objective halves are static parts of an aggregate, none having the old
SOM-ish significance. But when you point to spovs as conceptual yet
not confined to language, it sounds like you are in a no-man's-land
between SOM and MOQ. In SOM language is manipulation of
concepts and as we are "suspended in language" everything is
"conceptual". In MOQ (that doesn't have any S/O distinction outside
intellect) language is merely a social pattern that intellect adapted for
it's own S/O purpose ... and the MOQ now uses for its DQ/SQ
purpose. Yet, your assertion that the spovs are "conceptual" sounds
as different from something non-conceptual - in a metaphysical sense
- and that SOM is back.
Back to square one.
Bo
Bo,
What of my point that there may be a visual or auditory piece to
conceptual patterns (spovs). Close you eyes and think about
zebras. There should be a composite of images brought to mind with
that spov. Or think about an eyeball. Again there should be a
composite of images brought to mind. These images accompany
language. Think about a train and the sound of a train whistle is
brought to mind. These are not biological experiences. There are
conceptual experiences, as in memory. That was my point.
Marsha
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The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a
reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony without end.
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