Steve: I'm just jumping in here, so I apologize if you've already considered this, but do you think of a trance as a dynamic or as a static state? I think of trance and hypnosis as being stuck in particularly static sets of intellectual patterns.
Hi Steve, glad to have you join in on this one as I have introduced this stuff as a way of, perhaps, integrating some of the insights of NLP with MoQ patterns which could be helpful. I am not an expert on NLP nor am I one on the MoQ but I kept on sensing similarities and am exploring the idea of perhaps learning from eachother. First of all, the concepts 'trance' and 'hypnosis' conjure up a whole heap of static intellectual patterns...some of which are sensible some of which are not. The terms are loaded with their own, hypnotically inspired, interpretations and judgements. I am only presenting an NLP perspective which is a little different to the 'conventional' interpretation. The reason Pirsig, in his SODV paper used subject and object terminology was, as he said,if I would have introduced the term Quality to the audience, you could see on their faces an 'internal effort to subordinate what you are saying to their intellectual understanding of things'. In NLP terms, they would not be listening to Pirsig, they'd be trying, internally,(i.e.talking to themselves) to make sense of him...with questionable results.They would, quite simply, not be receptive to the quality idea. Trance, as NLP uses it, is to 'suspend' these static intellectual patterns so as to avail themselves of 'dynamic' input, and by this NLP means a desired change in these static patterns which the bearer of these patterns has not been able to accomplish on his/ her own. The interesting thing is that once this change is experienced, the person should not feel 'dynamic' in the sense of 'excited' at all.It should just be experienced as 'normal' congruent behaviour. So Steve, in this sense you are correct in stating that persons have the feeling of being 'stuck' ( entrenched/'entranced') in their particular set of intellectual patterns...and they want to get out of them...with a little help. Some of us go to the NLP'er and some of us join the MoQ Discuss. Hope this clarifies things a bit. Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
