Platt: We're trying here to subsume SOM, but it's hard to the snap out of our SOM trance. Just ask Bo. :-)
Hi Platt, I am trying just as hard to penetrate this intellectual immune system called SOM, which has been with us for a few thousand years ( the S/O division, arising out of the social level became the intellectual level) And the more I think about what Bodvar is trying to say, i.e saving DQ from the tentacles of SOM (which is the absolute essence of the MoQ), the more I think he is correct. To put it in simple language ( I like this because I am simple and we need to understand eachother) The DQ 'part' cannot be intellectualised about, it cannot be part of the intellectual level ( the big container into the little one? Ha! DQ gave rise to intellect!) And, as Pirsig suggests DQ is 'half' of reality (in the Quality= DQ/SQ split). To then say, as Pirsig does, that the MoQ is (just) an Intellectual pattern of values ( In opposition to SOM because the SOM doesn't recognise values) is to reduce the MoQ to the SOM level because it cannot allow for DQ. In my simple reasoning: it only allows for the SQ... and the SQ has been raped by SOM!! IMHO. If I misrepresent you Bodvar, please tell me,if I misrepresent Pirsig, please tell me...I only want to understand the MoQ better. For what it's worth Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
