Andre' DQ is SQ, subject is object. What seperates the two is the human expereince. DQ and SQ are not reality, subject and object are not reality, they are abstract concepts that have no corresponding expereince.
do you agree? -Ron ________________________________ From: Andre Broersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:55:00 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Trance state Platt: We're trying here to subsume SOM, but it's hard to the snap out of our SOM trance. Just ask Bo. :-) Hi Platt, I am trying just as hard to penetrate this intellectual immune system called SOM, which has been with us for a few thousand years ( the S/O division, arising out of the social level became the intellectual level) And the more I think about what Bodvar is trying to say, i.e saving DQ from the tentacles of SOM (which is the absolute essence of the MoQ), the more I think he is correct. To put it in simple language ( I like this because I am simple and we need to understand eachother) The DQ 'part' cannot be intellectualised about, it cannot be part of the intellectual level ( the big container into the little one? Ha! DQ gave rise to intellect!) And, as Pirsig suggests DQ is 'half' of reality (in the Quality= DQ/SQ split). To then say, as Pirsig does, that the MoQ is (just) an Intellectual pattern of values ( In opposition to SOM because the SOM doesn't recognise values) is to reduce the MoQ to the SOM level because it cannot allow for DQ. In my simple reasoning: it only allows for the SQ... and the SQ has been raped by SOM!! IMHO. If I misrepresent you Bodvar, please tell me,if I misrepresent Pirsig, please tell me...I only want to understand the MoQ better. For what it's worth Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
