And so Bo, Steve, etc ... We come full circle yet again ... to the finger and the moon, the map and the terrain, the menu and the meal ....
The Intellectualization of the MoQ (when put into these e-mails and other writings, and layered diagrams) is an intellectualization - an intellectual pattern ... static in any given intellectualized state but clearly a better pattern than SOMism and also clearly evolving with each expression / participation in real use. An intellectualization (of the MoQ) is an intellectualization. The MoQ is the MoQ. Quality is Quality. DQ is DQ. Fingers (or words or intellects) pointing at any one them are fingers (or words or intellects). When are you guys ever gonna get comfortable with the recursion and just let the emergence happen ? Trying to better define the MoQ (in intellect) used to be called re-arranging deckchairs on the Titanic (sorry, no, e-arranging angels on the head of a pin) Ian On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Steve Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Andre: > > To extent you are right that DQ cannot be represented intellectually. The > intellectual pattern "DQ" is a finger pointing to the moon. Does the term > "ground of being" help? Like "Tao," "God," "Brahman,""undifferentiated > aesthetic continuum," these are all fingers pointing to the moon. > > Best, > Steve > > > On Nov 18, 2008, at 11:25 PM, Andre Broersen wrote: > >> Steve: >> >> The MOQ is an intellectual description of reality of which the MOQ is >> a part. If the MOQ is not an intellectual pattern, then what do you >> suppose it is? Pirsig claims that everyting fits into a four volume >> encylcopedia plus DQ. >> >> Andre: >> >> Hi Steve, as I suggested to Ron in another post I am sitting in a slump, a >> mental block at the moment and find it difficult to get out of. >> I understand that the MoQ is an intellectual formulation, a paradigm, an >> abstract formulation. What I have difficulty with is the DQ 'part' which I >> equate with the 'aesthetic continuum' which cannot be represented >> intellectually, not even in an abstract way. >> Maybe this is where my problem is. >> Any guidance will be appreciated. >> >> Andre >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
