That's OK Steve, so long as when you say that, you appreciate that that intellectual description of the MoQ is a SOMist Intellectual description of it ... which is Bo's point ... ie when you say that, you are treating intellect and SOMism as the same thing.
You have simply re-stated the problem Steve. I choose to treat the MoQ as its-reality-in-use in the real world (not as debated by philosophologists, as Pirsig might say). Any description of it is a pale substitute for the real thing. The point I make is that no amount of dialectical discussion will free us from that choice. I have got comfortable with that, some haven't, and still believe the dialectic can be bottomed out on that SOMist intellectual basis. Doh ! it can't, by definition. MoQ really is lived, and not defined. I also (rather perversely, I'll grant you) say that the recursion in that argument is the clincher that the MoQ correctly reflects reality, but that's another Hofstaderian story. Ian On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Steve Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Ian, > >> >> Reality is the MoQ. > > If you are an empiricist, then reality is experience. From that perspective > Pirsig argues that experience is Quality. The MOQ is an intellectual > description of Quality. Quality is reality, the metaphysics is a description > of Quality. > > Regards, > Steve > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
