GOF Ian 19 Nov.you wrote:
> We come full circle yet again ... to the finger and the moon, the map > and the terrain, the menu and the meal .... Yes, "the finger" is obscene ;-) > The Intellectualization of the MoQ (when put into these e-mails and > other writings, and layered diagrams) is an intellectualization - an > intellectual pattern ... static in any given intellectualized state > but clearly a better pattern than SOMism and also clearly evolving > with each expression / participation in real use. Why harp on the term "intellectualization" indicating something less than real? From the 4th levels "intellectual as different from the real article" the MOQ/QUALITY distinction is self-evident, but the MOQ does NOT subscribe to the S/O distinction ... in a metaphysical sense, yet we seem condemned to wander around in a no-man's land between Q-intellect (still as SOM) and the MOQ as an intellectual pattern. > An intellectualization (of the MoQ) is an intellectualization. The MoQ > is the MoQ. Quality is Quality. DQ is DQ. Fingers (or words or > intellects) pointing at any one them are fingers (or words or > intellects). When are YOU gonna get uncomfortable with this silly finger/moon thing? The image of the heavenly body is just a subjective mindish secondary by-product - if you stick to intellect's S/O distinction and the MOQ is an alternative to SOM's platypus-spawnings. The MOQ revealed that the said platypis were caused by the S/O mistakenly being regarded as fundamental, while it as its own 4th.level it's a great static asset. > When are you guys ever gonna get comfortable with the recursion and > just let the emergence happen ? Trying to better define the MoQ (in > intellect) used to be called re-arranging deckchairs on the Titanic > (sorry, no, e-arranging angels on the head of a pin) Looks as if real thinkers never will be comfortable with "just forget that platypus and be happy" attitude. Bo. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
