Hi Arlo
Bo earlier:
> > Multiculturalism has little to do with attitudes, it just describes a
> > society with many different ethnic inhabitants.
[Arlo]
> And being okay with it that way.
Yes, I find it better that way, it's a big difference.
[Arlo]
> Yes, there will always be little people with xenophobia and ideas of
> their own superior ways of doing things.
Allow me to expand. Even if intellect strives hard to free itself from the
social level the latter is its base and will emerge "if the bells toll" and
social value is not about being nice, but "our cause" and if this cause -
which is mostly national in the Western World - is jeopardized "phobia"
emerges. USA is intellect-steeped, but when under attack .. alas. After
Pearl Harbor all American citizens of Japanese origin were placed in
camps. The 9/11 attack caused intellectual tolerance to give way to
the social patterns of patriotism and xenophobia, primarily regarding
those who prepared these deeds, but I guess towards muslims in
general. By and by Europe got its share of this religious-inspired
madness and is what Platt refers to in his first post about a growing
skeptical attitudes in Europe. The "cause" in the Muslim World is Islam
and the reason behind 9/11 was Western values threatening their
values and still is behind the resistance in Iraq and Afghanistan. All
other "intellectual" explanations fails. Only the MOQ provides the
credible answers this conflict is intellect having opened a new front
against social values.
[Arlo]
> The "list" I offered was deliberately ecclectic to demonstrate the
> vast array of cultural differences one may encounter and try to
> understand (from religious to national to geographic differences of
> "dress"). That was the point (here is where smart people would go
> "duh").
Culture/nature is SOM and the idea that social and intellectual
patterns are "cultural" derives from the faulty way of "encasing" SOM;
but is as unwieldy as all efforts to avoid the obvious namely that SOM
is the intellectual level itself.. This leads Ron to make culture intellect's
main pattern and you to put German sausages in company with
sacramental food. The MOQ levels are for bringing greater clarity than
SOM so why not use its level tool?
> But I would not expect someone who promotes the SOL to understand such
> a "complicated" analysis as that. ;-)
I challenged you to have a look at this LILA quote
"But what the larger intellectual structure of the Metaphysics of
Quality makes clear is that this political battle of science to free
itself from domination by social moral codes was in fact a
moral battle! It was the battle of a higher, intellectual level of
evolution to keep itself from being devoured by a lower, social
level of evolution." (Lila, 24)
Science is SOM, that much we agree on? And if science tries to free
itself from social (level) domination it must be intellect's foremost
value. In fact Pirsig just says it here, it's intellect's cause. If this isn't
SOL what is?
Bo
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