Hi Arlo 

Bo earlier:
> > Multiculturalism has little to do with attitudes, it just describes a
> > society with many different ethnic inhabitants.

[Arlo]
> And being okay with it that way.

Yes, I find it better that way, it's a big difference.

[Arlo]
> Yes, there will always be little people with xenophobia and ideas of
> their own superior ways of doing things. 

Allow me to expand. Even if intellect strives hard to free itself from the 
social level the latter is its base and  will emerge "if the bells toll" and 
social value is not about being nice, but "our cause" and if this cause - 
which is mostly national in the Western World - is jeopardized "phobia" 
emerges. USA is intellect-steeped, but when under attack .. alas. After 
Pearl Harbor all American citizens of Japanese origin were placed in 
camps. The 9/11  attack caused intellectual tolerance to give way to 
the social patterns of patriotism and xenophobia, primarily regarding 
those who prepared these deeds, but I guess towards muslims in 
general. By and by Europe got its share of this religious-inspired 
madness and is what Platt refers to in his first post  about a growing 
skeptical attitudes in Europe. The "cause" in the Muslim World is Islam 
and the reason behind 9/11 was Western values threatening their 
values and still is behind the resistance in Iraq and Afghanistan. All 
other "intellectual" explanations fails. Only the MOQ provides the 
credible answers this conflict is intellect having opened a new front 
against social values.         

[Arlo]
> The "list" I offered was deliberately ecclectic to demonstrate the
> vast array of cultural differences one may encounter and try to
> understand (from religious to national to geographic differences of
> "dress"). That was the point (here is where smart people would go
> "duh").

Culture/nature is SOM  and the idea that social and intellectual 
patterns are "cultural" derives from the faulty way of "encasing" SOM; 
but is as unwieldy as all efforts to avoid the obvious namely that SOM 
is the intellectual level itself.. This leads Ron to make culture intellect's 
main pattern  and you to put German sausages in company with 
sacramental food. The MOQ levels are for bringing greater clarity than 
SOM so why not use its level tool?  

> But I would not expect someone who promotes the SOL to understand such
> a "complicated" analysis as that. ;-) 

I challenged you to have a look at this LILA quote

    "But what the larger intellectual structure of the  Metaphysics of 
    Quality makes clear is that this political battle of science to free 
    itself from domination by social moral codes was in fact a 
    moral battle! It was the battle of a higher, intellectual level of 
    evolution to keep itself from being devoured by a lower, social 
    level of evolution." (Lila, 24)  

Science is SOM, that much we agree on? And if science tries to free 
itself from social (level) domination it must be intellect's foremost 
value. In fact Pirsig just says it here, it's intellect's cause. If this isn't 
SOL what is?

Bo









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