Krimel
On 8 Jan. you wrote:
[Bo] earlier
> > My opinion is that Jesus picked up the intellectual (SOM) signals from
> > the Greek culture - directly or via the Roman occupants - and that his
> > revolt against Mosaic Law (the law for humans, not humans for the law)
> > was intellectual value's first intrusion on this social value-steeped
> > region.
> [Krimel]
> Once again I must attempt to correct this misconception of yours.
> Almost any influence the Greeks or Romans had on Jesus was negative.
> He was against it. He was not revolting against Mosaic Law. If he was
> revolting against anything, it was Roman occupation and the quislings
> appointed by the Romans as priests in the Temple. He was, after all,
> executed for sedition against the empire.
Everyone - MOQ or not - agree about something big taking place
in Greece in the last centuries BC. ZAMM says it was the
Subject/Object Metaphysics. LILA ...? ...at least I interpret it as the
intellectual level emerging from the social, anyway it would be a
miracle if it hadn't an impact on the other shore. It's well known
that the Romans were indifferent, but executed Jesus to "cater" for
the Jewish high priests who were shaken by his revolt that had too
much "humanism at the cost of Law-ism" to be tolerated.
> Nor was his the first intrusion of intellect upon the Land of Israel.
> The author of the book of Ecclesiastes evidences intellect of the
> highest caliber. Ezra who was the probable editor of the Torah was no
> slouch either.
Your intellect looks like "intelligence", while the MOQ sees it - for
instance - in Jesus' subjectivization of faith removed from the
objective politics ("give unto Caesar ...etc.".) You forced me to
read the said parts of the Bible and there's plenty wisdom, but
nothing that may be characterized as Q-intellectual quality.
> > Intellect had no impact on Judaism then (it's still impervious) nor on
> > the later Islam, and for 1.5 thousand years Christendom...
[Krimel]
> This is nothing more than hot air; ill informed and offensive hot air
> at that.
Offensive regarding who? I believe it's your intelligence-as-intellect
misunderstanding. It's a fact that even present day orthodox Jews
don't want any secular Israel and thus "support" Hamas in that
respect. And as said, the Muslim world's curse is their lack of the
intellectual value that makes for their notorious backwardness.
> > ...what will a MOQ-influenced Christendom be like, will it become a
> > Buddhist/Taoist-like wisdom?
> [Krimel]
> Steven Mitchell makes a similar point in the "Gospel According to
> Jesus" and Marcus Borg treads similar ground in both, "Jesus: A New
> Visioný" and "Jesus and Buddha: The Parallel Sayings" neither author
> appeals to your notion that Jesus was some kind of closet Greek and
> neither requires the influence of the MoQ.
Interesting. Thanks for the tip.
Bo
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