> MP said to Arlo:You ask if it takes faith to believe in light. You > ask the same of "Light." You fail to acknowledge there is a world of > difference between the two. > > dmb says: > Arlo's dog doesn't know about the scientific explanations of what > light is nor does he have any notions of divine "Light". Neither of > these are required to know what Quality is. C'mon, MP. You've felt > the comforting warmth of the sun. You've taken shade under a big > cool tree. You know what that's like, why its better than not and > this requires no faith. To pretend otherwise only makes you look > disingenuous or totally numb. You want somebody to PROVE that it's > pleasant to take a nap in the sun on a cold winter day? Really? > Assuming that you haven't been in a coma for your entire life, what > the hell is doubtful about that? Being skeptical about that is the > kind of thing that gives skepticism a bad name. Yours is a totally > fake skepticism about plain, ordinary empirical reality. The term > refers to experience itself and can't logically be denied. > As for the MOQ, the system of thought which uses this empirical > reality as its starting point, that is not taken on faith either. > It's not something you believe in on the basis of faith but admire > for it's explanatory power, internal coherence, logical consistency. > It makes no claim to exclusive truth, unlike most faith-based > systems. The MOQ says the MOQ is just an analogy. One of the things > I find most admirable is that it is in sync with so many other > analogies. That's what the perennial philosophy says, that each > "truth" is an analogy of a reality that can't be defined. It can > really only be known directly, that is to say IN lived experience. > Our verbal descriptions can only point to it indirectly, through > figures of speech, metaphors, symbols and -yes - analogies. >
MP: Keep talking dmb, the reflection in the pool will *always* listen should the rest of us glaze over. As for your closing statements; you defined faith. Thank you. Case closed. MP ---- "Don't believe everything you think." Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
