Arlo to Andre: "Man" exists at the end of a long string of subsequent "probability fields" (to steal Krimel's term), but in the end owes his existence to chance, not some pre-ordered plan or intentional deliberation of a "Qualigod".
Andre: Okay Arlo, you're pressing me for a reaction. I do not know whether Man owes his existence to chance. It is and has been one of those vexing questions Man has asked itself. We know the religious answers which simply do not gell. Of the literature I have read the idea of 'chance' has been advanced frequently. I honestly haven't given it much thought. Now to your airplane; Arlo: In one (the Pirsig quote), DQ seems to bring about social harmony based on some Karmic understanding of the needs of all involved. In the other, it wipes out everyone alive on an airplane. Andre: DQ brings nothing about. People's responses to DQ bring things about. An aeroplane is a static set of values conceived in the minds of human beings, and built according to human understanding of these static patterns (including theories of aerodynamics, metal wear, laws of physics etc etc.). To then sit back and think you have built the 'perfect' plane invites negligence,invites chances of faillure. We cannot know everything about the behavior of static patterns of value (this is what I meant by 'I do not know what I do not know). The dynamic search towards improvement has to be reinvented everytime. Sometimes it takes a tragedy, sometimes just staring at the blue-prints shows possibilities of improvement or, may point to possibilities of weaknessess and potential disasters. Sometimes the concerned human being is open to these, sometimes not. Look at the soul searching inside the NASA organisation after the disaster with the Challenger. This has nothing to do with DQ it had everything to do with shutting out DQ..a bit like Truth knocking on the door and you saying; 'Go away, I'm looking for the truth'! ( contracts, financial pressures, time pressures, mis-management, etc etc). This has nothing to do with a 'masterplan requiring those people to die'. I think what I am getting at Arlo, is that by neglecting to 'reinvent' the response to Dynamic good, dynamic improvement, dynamic betterness, one invites 'chances'/ possibilities/ a higher degree of probability, that 'things' degenerate, fail, go wrong. Turning towards DQ reduces these possibilities. Unfortunately, the way our culture is organised shuts out DQ to a great degree. 'Stuckness' , 'just staring' , 'a quiet mind' are wastes of time...and money. ( I am exaggerating a bit here but hope you know what I mean).. Not sure if this helps Arlo or whether I have addressed the issue properly. For what it is worth Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
