Hi Markhsmit, Your happiness is contagious. I don't like the word "mystic." It is too close to magic, or imaginary. I prefer "instinctive" which gives body to the word "undefined", and makes training like education, and levels of DQ useful. How can you train a mystic? "Evolution" remains undefined and I have to appeal to order to use DQ, which requires a further evolution. IMO "Absolute (quality)" is a metaphor from social awareness, I am king! Intellectual quality is undefined at the social level. It seems I have to posit "personal enlightenment" to reveal the existence DQ beyond intellect.
Joe On 4/2/09 5:52 PM, "markhsmit" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been happily reading Joe's use of active, passive, and neutral, to help > paint Quality or its subsets. Another way to look at manifestation, is how > the Vedantins did. Our misperception is a result of veiling, projecting, and > revealing. Scientifically, misperception (illusion) is through time, space, > and causation. Modern physics is using equations to break through the > misperception to show that perhaps The absolute (Quality) is changeless, > infinite, and undivided, which shows through because of its revealing powery. > According to John Dobbs (http://quanta-gaia.org/dobson/EquationsOfMaya.html), > which I read a while back and am paraphrasing, Absolute reality can be > interpreted by what shows through (or is behind) our apparitional view. > Mystics and physicists are both describing the same thing using different > languages. > > Willblake2 > > > On Apr 2, 2009, at 3:44:08 PM, "Joseph Maurer" <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tuesday 2 April Krimel writes to Joe: > > <snip> >> [Krimel] >> There seems to be a math epidemic. I suspect that your equations >> might mesh with Andre's somehow but I don't see how attaching >> numbers supports the idea of an undefined DQ. Quality is undefined. >> DQ is change. > > High all, > > Is a manifestation the same as order? Quality is DQ/SQ. DQ represents > order, evolution, SQ represents a manifestation within an order. Logic is > tricky in an individual manifestation and we have courts of law. > > Mathematics carries an aura for logic which is unassailable except for its > premises. Figures don¹t lie, but liars can figure. I want to make a > distinction between a description of an individual DQ/SQ moral order, and a > manifestation within that order which is also DQ/SQ. > > The individual responds to law. I manifest in three ways active, passive, > neutral. Laws for an individual being are laws for manifestations. I don¹t > get put in prison for breaking a law of evolution. I live I die! > > Evolution is an order in existence! Behavior is an order of manifestation, > active, passive or neutral. Consciousness is DQ at the social level. SOL is > DQ at the Intellectual level. > > At the social level DQ is an undefined social aspect of an evolutionary > order in existence. The result is a law of order with the appeal to 4 or 7 > laws. I manifest as lawful, unlawful, or biding my time (asleep) at the > individual level. > > Joe > > > On 4/1/09 5:48 PM, "Krimel" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> [Krimel] >> OK but I don't think DQ is undefined. Quality is undefined. I think >> Pirsig conflated the two out of enthusiasm and others follow out of >> blind obedience. >> >> [Joe] >> [+1 (defined SQ) +0 (undefined DQ)] -1 (defined level of evolution) = 0. In >> a MOQ manifestation in a level of evolution, the individual is negated and >> undefined DQ is in an order of morality, existence. >> >> [Joe] >> If DQ is defined +1 (defined DQ) + 1 defined SQ = 2 outside of order.. Who >> knows what evolution means with 2 in 0 order. >> >> +0 undefined DQ +1 defined SQ + 0 order = 1 individual manifestation, the >> order is unnamed. >> >> [Krimel] >> There seems to be a math epidemic. I suspect that your equations might mesh >> with Andre's somehow but I don't see how attaching numbers supports the idea >> of an undefined DQ. Quality is undefined. DQ is change. >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
