Nick to Andre:
Nope, don't change the meaning of government that has been around and
abundantly defined since ancient greece.  The government/State is coercive
by nature.  I live in a civil society.  Big difference.

Andre:
I don't know why I bother Nick but here's my last thing and you can remain
floating up there with the daisies: government in America ( I presume you
live in that wonderful civil society) was agreed upon to exist as a power to
protect property rights. Read Locke's philosophy on this and your own
history.These are the self same rights you appear to cherish so much.
If anything is coercive it is in the name of exercising this protection and,
by implication, the protection of individuals who think just like you..

Nick:
Nope, I ascribe to a moral intellectual principle called the NAP.  I live in
a civil society, and you advocate a law of the jungle government/State that
is coercive by nature. You see, in a civil society we sit, negotiate, and
reason with each other.  But somebody advocating for a territorial coercive
monopoly government/State is a criminal.

Andre:
Now I clearly see an argument presented which is twisted upon itself and
distorted beyond all recognition and blaming me for the outcome! Sounds you
have a real mate in Platt with this one...selectively picking and choosing
and turning the argument back upon the person asking the questions for
clarification in the first place.

Go back to sleep Nick and while you are at it: read this last line of your
own post... and ask yourself: 'Who wants to protect his own territory to the
hilt?' and what makes this of you then?

Don't bother.
Andre
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