hey dave,
you is spot on bruv.
bob's work, the moq, is an elegant creation. i use it reflexively, 
automatically - it is a part of my analytic being now. it fits with all the 
other concepts that i have found useful.
when it is misrepresented on this list, you, more than anyone, point out why 
and steer things back on course.
and this is vitally important.
so it looks like you will be busy for a while yet as i guess this is perhaps 
the central function of this list.... a sort of  intellectual vigil...a 
constant watch so that the thread doesn't deviate too far from the MOQ proper.
at least you have some good help in this endeavour! arlo, dan, andre, marsha, 
to name a few.
i guess the frustrating thing is the continual rehashing: a false position is 
slain only for it to rise zombie-style later on.....and on and on.
all zombies must die.

kudos zombie slayers! may the force be well and truly with youse all.

over and out
obi wan pastrami



--- On Wed, 10/6/09, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote:

> From: david buchanan <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [MD] Reductionism
> To: [email protected]
> Received: Wednesday, 10 June, 2009, 9:00 AM
> 
> Thanks, Gav. You're way too generous, though. As I see it,
> my job is to object to some of the stuff that's way, way
> off. I actually feel alarmed when it seems somebody is
> distorting the MOQ to serve some other purpose. Usually,
> that other purpose is religion or politics. When I see that,
> it conjures up the sort of feeling one would have while
> watching one's sister date a creepy loser. It's a
> combination of disgust and alarm, which produces a desire to
> save the beautiful thing from being tainted. But it's not as
> bad as all that. It's also a kind of exercise. And it's fun.
> I just wish my sister could screen her dates better, you
> know? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Gav said:
> > dmb has never been arrogant to me, though he has
> helped refine/correct my understanding of the moq.
> > 
> > this is a forum for discussing the MOQ, not nap, nlp,
> pps or pjbgtgb....
> > dave and ant are in accord with each other, mr pirsig,
> and his books and other works. ant and dave *represent* the
> moq and bob: this is the truth of the situation.
> > 
> > when folks argue against ant or dave chances are they
> are arguing against bob and chances are they don't or won't
> understand his work.
> > 
> > this is what i see over and over again.
> > 
> > i do not see ant or dave accorded the respect they
> deserve, especially dave. i therefore see nothing wrong with
> him defending himself and showing up his detractors with
> hilarious precision: au contraire!
> > 
> > egos are meant to be deflated
> 
> 
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