Krimel said to gav:
...The immediate present contains system within systems and if we are to 
survive from one moment to the next we need to focus on our relationships 
within those systems.
 gav disagreed:
> the immediate present contains no systems; it contains no-thing. it is, by 
> definition, immediate - given. this is axiomatic in the MOQ.
Krimel "responded":
>Huh?  Is this a response to a post I wrote?  Oh well... But by the way, we do 
>not and can not live in the immediate present.


dmb says:Oh, for Pete's sake of course it's a response to what you wrote. It's 
a direct contradiction of what you wrote. You say the immediate contains 
systems and gav says the immediate contains no systems. Pretending to be 
mystified by the relevance of gav's objection is a bit dishonest, don't you 
think? For whatever it's worth, I'm taking this as dishonesty because I've 
already ruled out the other possibility, namely stupidity. I mean, you're 
certainly intelligent enough to see the relevance so it's gotta be something 
else. So it seems your pants are on fire. May I suggest you drop and roll?


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