On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:03 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Craig > Stand firm, you made my day be speaking against the idealism that > has infested the MOQ discussion.
John] Interesting terminology, Bo, "infested". Like a virus or a germ or perhaps a little leavening which puffs up the whole loaf? I joined up under the idealism flag, so I'll take some heat on this, but it would help if I understood what you see as the problems with idealism. Is not "Good is a noun" an ideal? The decay started by the latter-day > Pirsig who - in "Lila's Child" introduced the "ideas come first" Patterns in relationship, logical order creates reality, is the physical analogue. I'd definitely side with the author on this one. > These midgets don't see that if this gets hold of > the MOQ it turns into a subsidiary of SOM - of its idealist division - > and all it's beauty and strength is gone. In ZAMM there is nothing > about ideas coming early or late, rather that ideas where the chief > instigator of SOM - Plato's - eternal (objective) component of the > newfangled S/O aggregate. The fact that it went through a 180 degree > turn with Aristotle - substance now becoming the objective part and > by and by "ideas" becoming mind patterns and thus the subjective > part - does not matter. To postulate inorganic VALUE patterns as > DQ's first fallout does not mean a somist materialist (objectivst) turn > (as Ron accused me of) accepting the DQ/SQ axiom has turned the > table from SOM to MOQ. Again thanks Craig, I thought all MD had > fallen for the "ideas first" hoax, > > Bodvar > Midgets! Now there's a high quality intellectual argument. Postulate THIS (John grabbing his crotch) would be a worthy reply in kind. Which I won't make because I'm too high quality for such a stoop. But for intellectual clarity on where you differ, would you associate the phrase "ideas first" as the main feature of idealism? Cuz if that's what's being run up the flag pole, I'd definitely salute. ZenTechKoan: What came first? The hardware or the programming? Answer: It's ALL programming. John the idea monger > > -- ------------ There are differing interpretations of Reality, some are just better than others, that's all. ------------ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
