Hey Ron, Bo: Maybe there are two MOQ's. 1) the mystic MOQ of direct experience, 2) the idea MOQ consisting of DQ/SQ with a hierarchy of static patterns.
MOQ 1 is monism, without pattern, consisting solely of value. MOQ 2 is dualism, patterned, consisting of many ideas. Question: Where does MOQ 2 belong in the MOQ 2 hierarchy of levels? Answer: Not in the intellectual level because the MOQ cannot be a part of itself.. So MOQ 2 must be in a metal-level, or perhaps the level of art Pirsig briefly mentioned. Just some ideas to kick around. Platt On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 5:39 PM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: > Ron: > > > > the idea of anything coming before experience > > is, in fact, an idea. > > > > > Craig: > So the idea of experience comes before experience? > > Ron: > Read again. experience comes before any idea of it. > > This idea is called MoQ > > the experience of now is reality. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: moq discuss <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 1:25:23 PM > Subject: Re: [MD] Empirical and Historical > > From the historical point of view: Carbon (billions of years ago) > Idea of the helicopter (16 th century) Idea of carbon (19 th century) > Helicopter (20 th century) > > > Let’s say the historical point of view itself is an idea, so it’s > somewhere in the above sequence. But this gives us no reason > to reverse the priority of carbon & the idea of carbon. > > > [Xacto] > > > the idea of anything coming before experience > > is, in fact, an idea. > > > > Let’s say the historical point of view itself is an idea, so it’s > somewhere in the above sequence. But this gives us no reason > to reverse the priority of carbon & the idea of carbon. > > > [Xacto] > > > the idea of anything coming before experience > > is, in fact, an idea. > > > > > > So the idea of experience comes before experience? > > Craig > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
