Hi Platt 11 July you wrote:
> Maybe there are two MOQ's. 1) the mystic MOQ of direct experience, 2) > the idea MOQ consisting of DQ/SQ with a hierarchy of static patterns. There definitely are two Qualities; Dynamic or "mystic" quality, and static quality. > MOQ 1 is monism, without pattern, consisting solely of value. All right, it's dynamic no more no less. > MOQ 2 is dualism, patterned, consisting of many ideas. It's static and comes in the known 4 levels. Ideas, concepts, thoughts ..et. equal to "static" (the Quality/MOQ assertion) I don't buy. Nothing can be conveyed without language. > Question: Where does MOQ 2 belong in the MOQ 2 hierarchy of levels? See below! > Answer: Not in the intellectual level because the MOQ cannot be a part > of itself.. So MOQ 2 must be in a metal-level, or perhaps the level of > art Pirsig briefly mentioned. Where the MOQ belongs in the MOQ is a tricky question, I have used the term "meta-level", but people easily misunderstand and believe it's a static level outside intellect, but it is the DQ/SQ reality itself. All efforts to keep DQ outside of the MOQ is futile Scientific theories can be presented as independent of the theory and the latter-day Pirsig tries the same with the MOQ, as if he accidentally discovered Quality's unique position, but as he demonstrated in ZAMM (the Newton Gravity example) he Quality Reality is the MOQ. Not as an idea in Pirsig's mind, but as the metaphysics, wherever it had its origin. > Just some ideas to kick around. Right, so I have ;-) Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
