Hi Ron
21 Dec. u wrote:
> Hello Andre, What Bo asserts is that MoQ is indeed reality I think he
> bases it on the assumption that scientific objectivism makes, that it's
> metaphysical assumptions are reality, based on this alone Bodvar makes
> his stand. Pirsig goes into great detail why this outlook is narrow and
> limited:
"Unlike subject-object metaphysics the Metaphysics of Quality
does not insist on a single exclusive truth. If subjects and
objects are held to be the ultimate reality then we're permitted
only one construction of things - that which corresponds to the
'objective' world - and all other constructions are unreal. But if
Quality or excellence is seen as the ultimate reality then it
becomes possible for more than one set of truths to exist.
Then one doesn't seek the absolute Truth.' One seeks instead
the highest quality intellectual explanation of things with the
knowledge that if the past is any guide to the future this
explanation must be taken provisionally; as useful until
something better comes along. One can then examine
intellectual realities the same way one examines paintings in
an art gallery, not with an effort to find out which one is the
'real' painting, but simply to enjoy and keep those that are of
value. There are many sets of intellectual reality in existence
and we can perceive some to have more quality than others,
but that we do so is, in part, the result of our history and
current patterns of values." -Lila chp 8
Pirsig's "many truth" must be understood correctly. The various levels
have in succession been their era's TRUTH. The last truth was
intellect-as-SOM's S/O constellation. But out of SOM grew the MOQ
from where the final DQ/SQ truth were revealed. Thus the levels are
"lesser" truth's, when our focus is - say - at the biological level, due to
some bodily need it's a true experience, but still a subset under the big
DQ/SQ truth. Pirsig makes it sound as if all levels really are
"intellectual levels" - the MOQ included and that its DQ/SQ
constellation is some arbitrary ordering of the Quality Reality - but
that's not true(!) One can become too smart.
> The interesting thing is, Bodvar does not understand most of
> what Pirsig says, so he sloughs off the parts he does not get.
> The parts that do fit into his understanding he claims possesion
> of as the "real" MoQ that no one understands except for him.
> A byproduct of him being an "antenna" of superior understanding.
> Talk about your "besserweissers"!!
OK I know I'm infuriating but I have given up on this forum.
> He could claim MoQ as reality based on the statement Pirsig
> makes that experience is reality and the ideas of the MoQ
> then are most certainly "reality" but that also opens the door to any
> other idea is "reality". Then he'd have to accept the "many truths"
> statement above, which he does not seem to be willing to do.
You aren't the worst of the "obfuscator", at times almostt willing to
understand so I thank you.
Bodvar
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