On 21 Feb 2010 at 10:36, John Carl wrote: > Plattitudifier, > > I believe this is the heart of contention: > > > > > Because capitalism preserves Dynamic Quality it can't help but get us > > somewhere better. > > > > You make a valid argument that this has been the case in the past, but does > it follow that such is the case now? The economic/political system - the > society, has succeeded, has done well, has gotten everybody rich. In > America, there are no poor. I know, I'm poor, but filthy rich compared to > the poor in many other places, and through no merit but the luck of being > born into a successful system. > > But the values underlying that system, have been eroded by the very > successes of the system, and thus the system's collapse is inevitable, and I > doubt we can recreate the same system, with the values we've got now.
Platt What values underlying the capitalist system have been eroded? What are the values we've got now that will make a collapse of the system inevitable? > My argument against conservatism, ties in to what I posted about > "homotheism". Taking sq as your value-set rather than DQ. Conservatism > values the static past as good and just assumes (concludes fallaciously > rather) the same patterns will serve the present good. Platt If your sq value set includes DQ as the free market does, I don't see the problem. > But true quality can only be served by asking what is best NOW. Not what > was best yesterday. Yesterday's good was good, and understanding it's > meaning in the context of yesterday will help us in figuring out what > today's best is. But trying to figure out where to go by looking to the > past alone, is only going backward, not forward. Platt Seems to me that conservative principles such as democracy, trial by jury, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, freedom of travel, limited government, private property, etc. as established by the U.S. Constitution is best NOW unless you have something better to offer. > And thanks, as always, for your dialogue on the matter. The objective > analysis of social patterns is the highest good of our intellect's uses. Platt An objective analysis? How about a Quality analysis? To that I agree and as always look forward to your ideas. Yours truly, Platt > > > Loyally yours, > > John Carl > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
