Hi Steve, Yes, Pirsig certainly did say that, but that is not the important thing about the levels. He also says this further along in the same quote. [quote] In a value-centered Metaphysics of Quality the four sets of static patterns are not isolated into separate compartments of mind and matter. Matter is just a name for certain inorganic value patterns. Biological patterns, social patterns, and intellectual patterns are supported by this pattern of matter but are independent of it. They have rules and laws of their own that are not derivable from the rules or laws of substance. This is not the customary way of thinking, but, when you stop to think about it you wonder how you ever got conned into thinking otherwise. What, after all, is the likelihood that an atom possesses within its own structure enough information to build the city of New York?
If you are trying to tell me that the 4 Levels are nothing more than groupings of similar things, then the power of the MoQ is diluted. The levels start to take on an arbitrariness that defeats the whole concept of Levels. Might as well introduce a taxonomic classification system. They are not called "Static Patterns of VALUE" for nothing. What is valued by one level is not valued by another, and that is what makes the levels differ from each other. Mary - The most important thing you will ever make is a realization. > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:moq_discuss- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Steven Peterson > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:30 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] A fly in the MOQ ointment > > Hi Mary, > > You had said: > >The thing > > that makes the whole construct of the MoQ WORK is the idea that sets > of > > patterns only achieve the status of a Level when they cease to > support the > > level they are in and go off to meet ends of their own. Brilliant! > > Steve: > I disagreed, and the quote you provided demonstates that Pirsig calls > higher levels "levels" before they go off on purposes of their own. > The fact that the fist intellectual patterns offered freedom to social > patterns does not mean that they did not constitute a level in > Pirsig's hierarchy of types of patterns of value. > > > > Lila Chapter 12 pg 101 (Electronic) > >... > > A primary occupation of every level of evolution seems to be offering > freedom to lower levels of evolution. But as the higher level gets > more sophisticated it goes off on purposes of its own. > > > Best, > Steve > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
