Jon,
Please offer a few sentences explaining how Dooyeweerd's Theory of
Modal Aspects and the MoQ are related?
Marsha
On Apr 11, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Jon Bennett wrote:
> What are the 4 levels. Dooyeweered has 15.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Mary <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> Yes, Pirsig certainly did say that, but that is not the important thing
>> about the levels. He also says this further along in the same quote.
>> [quote]
>> In a value-centered Metaphysics of Quality the four sets of static patterns
>> are not isolated into separate compartments of mind and matter. Matter is
>> just a name for certain inorganic value patterns. Biological patterns,
>> social patterns, and intellectual patterns are supported by this pattern of
>> matter but are independent of it. They have rules and laws of their own
>> that are not derivable from the rules or laws of substance. This is not
>> the
>> customary way of thinking, but, when you stop to think about it you wonder
>> how you ever got conned into thinking otherwise. What, after all, is the
>> likelihood that an atom possesses within its own structure enough
>> information to build the city of New York?
>>
>> If you are trying to tell me that the 4 Levels are nothing more than
>> groupings of similar things, then the power of the MoQ is diluted. The
>> levels start to take on an arbitrariness that defeats the whole concept of
>> Levels. Might as well introduce a taxonomic classification system. They
>> are not called "Static Patterns of VALUE" for nothing. What is valued by
>> one level is not valued by another, and that is what makes the levels
>> differ
>> from each other.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> - The most important thing you will ever make is a realization.
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:moq_discuss-
>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Steven Peterson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:30 AM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] A fly in the MOQ ointment
>>>
>>> Hi Mary,
>>>
>>> You had said:
>>>> The thing
>>>> that makes the whole construct of the MoQ WORK is the idea that sets
>>> of
>>>> patterns only achieve the status of a Level when they cease to
>>> support the
>>>> level they are in and go off to meet ends of their own. Brilliant!
>>>
>>> Steve:
>>> I disagreed, and the quote you provided demonstates that Pirsig calls
>>> higher levels "levels" before they go off on purposes of their own.
>>> The fact that the fist intellectual patterns offered freedom to social
>>> patterns does not mean that they did not constitute a level in
>>> Pirsig's hierarchy of types of patterns of value.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lila Chapter 12 pg 101 (Electronic)
>>>> ...
>>>> A primary occupation of every level of evolution seems to be offering
>>> freedom to lower levels of evolution. But as the higher level gets
>>> more sophisticated it goes off on purposes of its own.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Steve
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