What are the 4 levels. Dooyeweered has 15.
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Mary <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Steve, > > Yes, Pirsig certainly did say that, but that is not the important thing > about the levels. He also says this further along in the same quote. > [quote] > In a value-centered Metaphysics of Quality the four sets of static patterns > are not isolated into separate compartments of mind and matter. Matter is > just a name for certain inorganic value patterns. Biological patterns, > social patterns, and intellectual patterns are supported by this pattern of > matter but are independent of it. They have rules and laws of their own > that are not derivable from the rules or laws of substance. This is not > the > customary way of thinking, but, when you stop to think about it you wonder > how you ever got conned into thinking otherwise. What, after all, is the > likelihood that an atom possesses within its own structure enough > information to build the city of New York? > > If you are trying to tell me that the 4 Levels are nothing more than > groupings of similar things, then the power of the MoQ is diluted. The > levels start to take on an arbitrariness that defeats the whole concept of > Levels. Might as well introduce a taxonomic classification system. They > are not called "Static Patterns of VALUE" for nothing. What is valued by > one level is not valued by another, and that is what makes the levels > differ > from each other. > > Mary > > - The most important thing you will ever make is a realization. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:moq_discuss- > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Steven Peterson > > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:30 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [MD] A fly in the MOQ ointment > > > > Hi Mary, > > > > You had said: > > >The thing > > > that makes the whole construct of the MoQ WORK is the idea that sets > > of > > > patterns only achieve the status of a Level when they cease to > > support the > > > level they are in and go off to meet ends of their own. Brilliant! > > > > Steve: > > I disagreed, and the quote you provided demonstates that Pirsig calls > > higher levels "levels" before they go off on purposes of their own. > > The fact that the fist intellectual patterns offered freedom to social > > patterns does not mean that they did not constitute a level in > > Pirsig's hierarchy of types of patterns of value. > > > > > > > Lila Chapter 12 pg 101 (Electronic) > > >... > > > A primary occupation of every level of evolution seems to be offering > > freedom to lower levels of evolution. But as the higher level gets > > more sophisticated it goes off on purposes of its own. > > > > > > Best, > > Steve > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
