Hi Bo, Marsha, Craig, and all, > > Craig originally: > > > > > Pirsig emphasizes static patterns of value. Bo > > > > identifies the intellectual level with Subjects & Objects. But > what > > > > if Subjects & Objects are seen as static patterns of value? > Doesn't > > > > this bridge the gap between the 2 metaphysics? > > Again, fine, even if I don't quite like the "2 metaphysics", it was > after all > ZAMM that forwarded the "intellect=SOM" (SOL) solution and about > half & half of LILA conveys this view. > > Marsha comments: > > > My answer to this quote would be NO! RMP's recognition sent him > off > > > to the mental institution. > > Interesting. By "RMP's recognition" do you mean the "Intellect=SOM" > recognition? And that this caused his breakdown? > > > > Having had such a realization, it's easy > > > for him to say!!! I don't think making an intellectual switch from > > > objects (thing-in- itself) to patterns (ever-changing, relational, > > > unbounded, impermanent) does the trick. > > If you mean that Pirsig did not dare repeat the intellect=SOM in LILA > because it had once sent him to the hospital? If so I agree most > vehemently. > > > [Mary Replies] > > Agree with that! Changing one intellectual construction for another > > is to pay lip service. Doesn't change a thing. > > Hmm, had I just been sure what this means. At least, the "orthodox" > intellectual level is much like SOM's MIND and consequently > everything becomes "mind-intellectual constructions". But MOQ's 4th. > level as SOM is a QUALITY construction! > [Mary Replies] I took Marsha's statement to be along the lines of: just making the _intellectual_ switch from calling things subjects and objects to calling them patterns of value is still to replace one SOMish type analogy with another. It's easy to _intellectually_ call things patterns of value without having any appreciation for how that might differ from calling those same things subjects and objects.
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