Marsha to Andre: What kind of pattern is 'shaming'?
Andre: I did not use the expression 'shaming'. I used the noun 'shame'. This is an intellectual concept invented through SOM experience to designate an action that brings shame/dishonor upon someone.. I used it as applying (both ways) to Bodvar and Platt by their suggestion that THEIR (intellectual) interpretation of the MOQ is better than Mr. Pirsig's...a suggestion which has been described by Mr. Pirsig as 'undermining' the MOQ. I therefore pointed to their challenging Mr. Pirsig's 'intellectual capacity' (as well as his intellectual integrity). I also put it in terms of the Cleveland Harbour Effect...meaning: you only see what you are looking for. We both know what glasses these two gentlemen have on and what they have to lose when they have to forgo their intellectual conviction heeding arguments to the contrary ......... A massive loss of (social)reputation...a form of dishonor...a massive reorganising of their static patterns. But they have too much to lose...socially speaking... . (and perhaps intellectually: they may get the idea that they will fall of the edge of the earth...intellectually speaking). In SOM terms, one would have a clash between reputations and authority...and ego's, end of story! And both camps unsatisfied.( have you noticed lately that Bodvar DOES consider himself a 'saint'?!) But the MOQ says that (Bodvar's and Platt's) lower pattern of intellectual value is trying to dominate a higher intellectual pattern of value and therefore it is considered an immoral action. Okay, one party satisfied hoping the other party learns. But NO, they have a (social) reputation to uphold...and sainthood (although I read today that the Vatican is going to apply more stringent rules to who becomes what)! This is a further application of brilliant Christian intellectual patterning, so much supported by Bodvar who is looking forward to the realization of this... just like the politician Wilders in the Netherlands who won 24 seats ( one third of parliament)! Australia is fine, but it ain't home, the Netherlands is home but it ain't mine no more. (freely adapted from Neil Diamond). Following DQ can leave you up in the air...but ye gotta come down sooner or later. Sorry to be so long winded about this. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
