"As mentioned above, Pirsig considers any philosophy that asserts that reality is composed from mind or matter or a combination of both is an SOM philosophy." (McWatt, Anthony,'A Critical Analysis of Robert Pirsig’s Metaphysics of Quality',2005)
On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:47 PM, MarshaV wrote: > > Adrie, > > In my definition, intellectual patterns of value are still patterns of value, > all > value, they are still conceptually constructed. I am describing how they > function. > > > Marsha > > > > > > On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:33 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote: > >> Yes , Dave , this is opening the toolbox of the moq, this is showing us the >> tools inside , this is the core. >> You arrived at the point as where Pheadrus is reading back James's books in >> the end of LILA, aware of the fact that he found the grail >> He arrived at the secret of the Giant so to speak. The expirience itself as >> entity, Quality. >> Best ever , Dave i'll print it.Thanks. >> >> 2010/9/18 david buchanan <[email protected]> >> >>> >>> Marsha's definition: >>> Within the MoQ, fourth level, the Intellectual Level, is comprised of >>> intellectual static patterns of value. The way that these patterns function >>> is as reified concepts and the rules for their rational analysis and >>> manipulation. Reification decontextualizes. Intellectual patterns process >>> from a subject/object conceptual framework creating false boundaries that >>> give the illusion of independence as a “thing” or an “object of analysis.” >>> The fourth level is a formalized subject/object level (SOM), where the >>> paramount demand is for rational, objective knowledge, which is free from >>> the taint of any subjectivity. >>> >>> >>> dmb's alternative: >>> >>> According to the MOQ, the intellectual level includes all intellectual >>> static patterns and all intellectual thought styles, such as classical and >>> romantic for example. These patterns are derived from experience and their >>> veracity depends on their ability to function in experience. The MOQ's >>> reconceptualization of the intellect is predicated on a rejection of >>> subject-object metaphysics, the conceptual framework that reifies subjects >>> and objects. (The MOQ says subjects and objects are concepts, not entities.) >>> Unlike SOM, where the paramount demand is for objectivity and disinterested >>> observation, the MOQ's fourth level gives us an expanded form of rationality >>> that includes feelings, passions, alternate modes of consciousness and all >>> the other categories of experience formerly dismissed as "merely" >>> subjective. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> parser >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
