Yes , but he is not saying here that som is the umbrella that shelters all perception of reality-som is not reality itself.
2010/9/18 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > "As mentioned above, Pirsig considers any philosophy that asserts that > reality is composed from mind or matter or a combination of both is an > SOM philosophy." > (McWatt, Anthony,'A Critical Analysis of Robert Pirsig’s Metaphysics of > Quality',2005) > > > > On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:47 PM, MarshaV wrote: > > > > > Adrie, > > > > In my definition, intellectual patterns of value are still patterns of > value, all > > value, they are still conceptually constructed. I am describing how they > > function. > > > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:33 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote: > > > >> Yes , Dave , this is opening the toolbox of the moq, this is showing us > the > >> tools inside , this is the core. > >> You arrived at the point as where Pheadrus is reading back James's books > in > >> the end of LILA, aware of the fact that he found the grail > >> He arrived at the secret of the Giant so to speak. The expirience itself > as > >> entity, Quality. > >> Best ever , Dave i'll print it.Thanks. > >> > >> 2010/9/18 david buchanan <[email protected]> > >> > >>> > >>> Marsha's definition: > >>> Within the MoQ, fourth level, the Intellectual Level, is comprised of > >>> intellectual static patterns of value. The way that these patterns > function > >>> is as reified concepts and the rules for their rational analysis and > >>> manipulation. Reification decontextualizes. Intellectual patterns > process > >>> from a subject/object conceptual framework creating false boundaries > that > >>> give the illusion of independence as a “thing” or an “object of > analysis.” > >>> The fourth level is a formalized subject/object level (SOM), where the > >>> paramount demand is for rational, objective knowledge, which is free > from > >>> the taint of any subjectivity. > >>> > >>> > >>> dmb's alternative: > >>> > >>> According to the MOQ, the intellectual level includes all intellectual > >>> static patterns and all intellectual thought styles, such as classical > and > >>> romantic for example. These patterns are derived from experience and > their > >>> veracity depends on their ability to function in experience. The MOQ's > >>> reconceptualization of the intellect is predicated on a rejection of > >>> subject-object metaphysics, the conceptual framework that reifies > subjects > >>> and objects. (The MOQ says subjects and objects are concepts, not > entities.) > >>> Unlike SOM, where the paramount demand is for objectivity and > disinterested > >>> observation, the MOQ's fourth level gives us an expanded form of > rationality > >>> that includes feelings, passions, alternate modes of consciousness and > all > >>> the other categories of experience formerly dismissed as "merely" > >>> subjective. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>> Archives: > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> parser > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
