Dave incorporated your def in his abstraction, but took out the leeches. in Your defenition you are restricting the possibility of the value's to deploy to total capability, the capability to cover reality,; subjective, objective, and relative, nothing can be dismissed or scaled down.
Dave's projection is very neat and clean, and it is a very generous attempt to stay in the field without defacement for you. The alternative, as given, is not violating anything of the material. 2010/9/18 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > Adrie, > > In my definition, intellectual patterns of value are still patterns of > value, all > value, they are still conceptually constructed. I am describing how they > function. > > > Marsha > > > > > > On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:33 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote: > > > Yes , Dave , this is opening the toolbox of the moq, this is showing us > the > > tools inside , this is the core. > > You arrived at the point as where Pheadrus is reading back James's books > in > > the end of LILA, aware of the fact that he found the grail > > He arrived at the secret of the Giant so to speak. The expirience itself > as > > entity, Quality. > > Best ever , Dave i'll print it.Thanks. > > > > 2010/9/18 david buchanan <[email protected]> > > > >> > >> Marsha's definition: > >> Within the MoQ, fourth level, the Intellectual Level, is comprised of > >> intellectual static patterns of value. The way that these patterns > function > >> is as reified concepts and the rules for their rational analysis and > >> manipulation. Reification decontextualizes. Intellectual patterns > process > >> from a subject/object conceptual framework creating false boundaries > that > >> give the illusion of independence as a “thing” or an “object of > analysis.” > >> The fourth level is a formalized subject/object level (SOM), where the > >> paramount demand is for rational, objective knowledge, which is free > from > >> the taint of any subjectivity. > >> > >> > >> dmb's alternative: > >> > >> According to the MOQ, the intellectual level includes all intellectual > >> static patterns and all intellectual thought styles, such as classical > and > >> romantic for example. These patterns are derived from experience and > their > >> veracity depends on their ability to function in experience. The MOQ's > >> reconceptualization of the intellect is predicated on a rejection of > >> subject-object metaphysics, the conceptual framework that reifies > subjects > >> and objects. (The MOQ says subjects and objects are concepts, not > entities.) > >> Unlike SOM, where the paramount demand is for objectivity and > disinterested > >> observation, the MOQ's fourth level gives us an expanded form of > rationality > >> that includes feelings, passions, alternate modes of consciousness and > all > >> the other categories of experience formerly dismissed as "merely" > >> subjective. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > parser > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
