Where do those feelings and passions come from? A subject? Outer space?
Add them back, it is still a analyzer analyzing a object of analysis. Maybe
you
think there is no differentiation? Again, I am describing how I-spovs
function.
I will even grant that the idea that the taint of subjectivity can be removed
from the process is pure illusion.
On Sep 18, 2010, at 5:06 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
> Dave incorporated your def in his abstraction, but took out the leeches.
>
> in Your defenition you are restricting the possibility of the value's to
> deploy to total capability, the capability to cover
> reality,; subjective, objective, and relative, nothing can be dismissed or
> scaled down.
>
> Dave's projection is very neat and clean, and it is a very generous attempt
> to stay in the field without defacement for you.
> The alternative, as given, is not violating anything of the material.
>
> 2010/9/18 MarshaV <[email protected]>
>
>>
>> Adrie,
>>
>> In my definition, intellectual patterns of value are still patterns of
>> value, all
>> value, they are still conceptually constructed. I am describing how they
>> function.
>>
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:33 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
>>
>>> Yes , Dave , this is opening the toolbox of the moq, this is showing us
>> the
>>> tools inside , this is the core.
>>> You arrived at the point as where Pheadrus is reading back James's books
>> in
>>> the end of LILA, aware of the fact that he found the grail
>>> He arrived at the secret of the Giant so to speak. The expirience itself
>> as
>>> entity, Quality.
>>> Best ever , Dave i'll print it.Thanks.
>>>
>>> 2010/9/18 david buchanan <[email protected]>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marsha's definition:
>>>> Within the MoQ, fourth level, the Intellectual Level, is comprised of
>>>> intellectual static patterns of value. The way that these patterns
>> function
>>>> is as reified concepts and the rules for their rational analysis and
>>>> manipulation. Reification decontextualizes. Intellectual patterns
>> process
>>>> from a subject/object conceptual framework creating false boundaries
>> that
>>>> give the illusion of independence as a “thing” or an “object of
>> analysis.”
>>>> The fourth level is a formalized subject/object level (SOM), where the
>>>> paramount demand is for rational, objective knowledge, which is free
>> from
>>>> the taint of any subjectivity.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> dmb's alternative:
>>>>
>>>> According to the MOQ, the intellectual level includes all intellectual
>>>> static patterns and all intellectual thought styles, such as classical
>> and
>>>> romantic for example. These patterns are derived from experience and
>> their
>>>> veracity depends on their ability to function in experience. The MOQ's
>>>> reconceptualization of the intellect is predicated on a rejection of
>>>> subject-object metaphysics, the conceptual framework that reifies
>> subjects
>>>> and objects. (The MOQ says subjects and objects are concepts, not
>> entities.)
>>>> Unlike SOM, where the paramount demand is for objectivity and
>> disinterested
>>>> observation, the MOQ's fourth level gives us an expanded form of
>> rationality
>>>> that includes feelings, passions, alternate modes of consciousness and
>> all
>>>> the other categories of experience formerly dismissed as "merely"
>>>> subjective.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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