Voices are whispering in the background scenery of science, Marsha,...maybe the spin is the parent of gravity. Rumours!
2010/9/28 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > Ian, > > Wouldn't it be fun to be a fly on the wall at that conference! > > The book is interesting. It's an introduction and survey, and at this > point perfect for my amateur understanding. I've gone through four > lecture series on various aspects of quantum science (for non-scientists), > and this is the first presentation of the quantum enigma, and in a clear > voice. It's thrilling. I would listen to the professor lecturing and want > to > throw things at them, because they spoke as if their words were fact > beyond question. This book was a pleasant relief from scientific > materialism: "Spin is not just mathematical equations, it's real!" > > Good book! > > > Marsha > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > > > Hi Marsha, > > > > An interesting sounding book. I see Dave and others have pointed you > > to the many "Mary the Colour Scientist" / Qualia references. > > > > You should also note that Chalmers was previously a star part of the > > Arizona "Science of Consciousness" brigade - with Hofstader and > > Hameroff and others - the wedding of quantum science with neuroscience > > and philosophy has been pretty much their whole agenda for 15 years > > (since almost exactly the same moment Pirsig was involved in the > > Einstein meets Magritte conference.) I notice also that Buddhism is on > > the agenda for their next conference. What goes around comes around. > > > > Ian > > > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:09 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Dave, > >> > >> Maybe when quantum philosophy weds Neurophilosophy? What kind of > >> circumstances will cause that divine marriage? > >> > >> > >> Marsha > >> > >> > >> p.s. For those fans of Noam Chomsky. He's being interviewed today on > the > >> PRI program 'On Point." > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:31 AM, David Thomas wrote: > >> > >>> On 9/28/10 9:48 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> If you had a point to make other than to show me how much I do not > know, > >>>> please explain it. > >>> > >>> I was only pointing to other takes on the "Mary" thought experiment > that > >>> might clear up (or add) to your puzzlement. > >>> > >>> I do think though that attempts by science and philosophy to > simultaneously > >>> solve the "hard problems" of "Quantum Enigma" and "Consciousness > Enigma" are > >>> doomed to fail philosophically until the science in both fields > advances. I > >>> also think part of the reason behind the claim that "philosophy is > dead" is > >>> that the specialized areas of science are so varied and technically > >>> difficult in the domains of the "hard problems" that no individual > >>> philosopher, short of a savant, can acquire the detailed depth of > >>> understanding necessary in each of the scientific fields required to be > able > >>> to integrate their advances into a coherent whole. It will have to be a > >>> combined effort. > >>> > >>> Dave > >>> > >>> > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>> Archives: > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> > >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
