nobody knows! 2010/9/28 MarshaV <[email protected]>
> > And what is gravity? > > > > On Sep 28, 2010, at 1:28 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote: > > > Voices are whispering in the background scenery of science, > Marsha,...maybe > > the spin is the parent of gravity. > > Rumours! > > > > 2010/9/28 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > > >> > >> Ian, > >> > >> Wouldn't it be fun to be a fly on the wall at that conference! > >> > >> The book is interesting. It's an introduction and survey, and at this > >> point perfect for my amateur understanding. I've gone through four > >> lecture series on various aspects of quantum science (for > non-scientists), > >> and this is the first presentation of the quantum enigma, and in a clear > >> voice. It's thrilling. I would listen to the professor lecturing and > want > >> to > >> throw things at them, because they spoke as if their words were fact > >> beyond question. This book was a pleasant relief from scientific > >> materialism: "Spin is not just mathematical equations, it's real!" > >> > >> Good book! > >> > >> > >> Marsha > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Marsha, > >>> > >>> An interesting sounding book. I see Dave and others have pointed you > >>> to the many "Mary the Colour Scientist" / Qualia references. > >>> > >>> You should also note that Chalmers was previously a star part of the > >>> Arizona "Science of Consciousness" brigade - with Hofstader and > >>> Hameroff and others - the wedding of quantum science with neuroscience > >>> and philosophy has been pretty much their whole agenda for 15 years > >>> (since almost exactly the same moment Pirsig was involved in the > >>> Einstein meets Magritte conference.) I notice also that Buddhism is on > >>> the agenda for their next conference. What goes around comes around. > >>> > >>> Ian > >>> > >>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:09 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dave, > >>>> > >>>> Maybe when quantum philosophy weds Neurophilosophy? What kind of > >>>> circumstances will cause that divine marriage? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Marsha > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> p.s. For those fans of Noam Chomsky. He's being interviewed today on > >> the > >>>> PRI program 'On Point." > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:31 AM, David Thomas wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On 9/28/10 9:48 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> If you had a point to make other than to show me how much I do not > >> know, > >>>>>> please explain it. > >>>>> > >>>>> I was only pointing to other takes on the "Mary" thought experiment > >> that > >>>>> might clear up (or add) to your puzzlement. > >>>>> > >>>>> I do think though that attempts by science and philosophy to > >> simultaneously > >>>>> solve the "hard problems" of "Quantum Enigma" and "Consciousness > >> Enigma" are > >>>>> doomed to fail philosophically until the science in both fields > >> advances. I > >>>>> also think part of the reason behind the claim that "philosophy is > >> dead" is > >>>>> that the specialized areas of science are so varied and technically > >>>>> difficult in the domains of the "hard problems" that no individual > >>>>> philosopher, short of a savant, can acquire the detailed depth of > >>>>> understanding necessary in each of the scientific fields required to > be > >> able > >>>>> to integrate their advances into a coherent whole. 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