A reified I-don't-know?
On Sep 28, 2010, at 1:43 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote: > nobody knows! > > 2010/9/28 MarshaV <[email protected]> > >> >> And what is gravity? >> >> >> >> On Sep 28, 2010, at 1:28 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote: >> >>> Voices are whispering in the background scenery of science, >> Marsha,...maybe >>> the spin is the parent of gravity. >>> Rumours! >>> >>> 2010/9/28 MarshaV <[email protected]> >>> >>>> >>>> Ian, >>>> >>>> Wouldn't it be fun to be a fly on the wall at that conference! >>>> >>>> The book is interesting. It's an introduction and survey, and at this >>>> point perfect for my amateur understanding. I've gone through four >>>> lecture series on various aspects of quantum science (for >> non-scientists), >>>> and this is the first presentation of the quantum enigma, and in a clear >>>> voice. It's thrilling. I would listen to the professor lecturing and >> want >>>> to >>>> throw things at them, because they spoke as if their words were fact >>>> beyond question. This book was a pleasant relief from scientific >>>> materialism: "Spin is not just mathematical equations, it's real!" >>>> >>>> Good book! >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Ian Glendinning wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Marsha, >>>>> >>>>> An interesting sounding book. I see Dave and others have pointed you >>>>> to the many "Mary the Colour Scientist" / Qualia references. >>>>> >>>>> You should also note that Chalmers was previously a star part of the >>>>> Arizona "Science of Consciousness" brigade - with Hofstader and >>>>> Hameroff and others - the wedding of quantum science with neuroscience >>>>> and philosophy has been pretty much their whole agenda for 15 years >>>>> (since almost exactly the same moment Pirsig was involved in the >>>>> Einstein meets Magritte conference.) I notice also that Buddhism is on >>>>> the agenda for their next conference. What goes around comes around. >>>>> >>>>> Ian >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:09 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave, >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe when quantum philosophy weds Neurophilosophy? What kind of >>>>>> circumstances will cause that divine marriage? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Marsha >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> p.s. For those fans of Noam Chomsky. He's being interviewed today on >>>> the >>>>>> PRI program 'On Point." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:31 AM, David Thomas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/28/10 9:48 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you had a point to make other than to show me how much I do not >>>> know, >>>>>>>> please explain it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was only pointing to other takes on the "Mary" thought experiment >>>> that >>>>>>> might clear up (or add) to your puzzlement. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do think though that attempts by science and philosophy to >>>> simultaneously >>>>>>> solve the "hard problems" of "Quantum Enigma" and "Consciousness >>>> Enigma" are >>>>>>> doomed to fail philosophically until the science in both fields >>>> advances. I >>>>>>> also think part of the reason behind the claim that "philosophy is >>>> dead" is >>>>>>> that the specialized areas of science are so varied and technically >>>>>>> difficult in the domains of the "hard problems" that no individual >>>>>>> philosopher, short of a savant, can acquire the detailed depth of >>>>>>> understanding necessary in each of the scientific fields required to >> be >>>> able >>>>>>> to integrate their advances into a coherent whole. It will have to be >> a >>>>>>> combined effort. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> parser >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > > > -- > parser > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
