And what is gravity?
On Sep 28, 2010, at 1:28 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote: > Voices are whispering in the background scenery of science, Marsha,...maybe > the spin is the parent of gravity. > Rumours! > > 2010/9/28 MarshaV <[email protected]> > >> >> Ian, >> >> Wouldn't it be fun to be a fly on the wall at that conference! >> >> The book is interesting. It's an introduction and survey, and at this >> point perfect for my amateur understanding. I've gone through four >> lecture series on various aspects of quantum science (for non-scientists), >> and this is the first presentation of the quantum enigma, and in a clear >> voice. It's thrilling. I would listen to the professor lecturing and want >> to >> throw things at them, because they spoke as if their words were fact >> beyond question. This book was a pleasant relief from scientific >> materialism: "Spin is not just mathematical equations, it's real!" >> >> Good book! >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Ian Glendinning wrote: >> >>> Hi Marsha, >>> >>> An interesting sounding book. I see Dave and others have pointed you >>> to the many "Mary the Colour Scientist" / Qualia references. >>> >>> You should also note that Chalmers was previously a star part of the >>> Arizona "Science of Consciousness" brigade - with Hofstader and >>> Hameroff and others - the wedding of quantum science with neuroscience >>> and philosophy has been pretty much their whole agenda for 15 years >>> (since almost exactly the same moment Pirsig was involved in the >>> Einstein meets Magritte conference.) I notice also that Buddhism is on >>> the agenda for their next conference. What goes around comes around. >>> >>> Ian >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:09 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dave, >>>> >>>> Maybe when quantum philosophy weds Neurophilosophy? What kind of >>>> circumstances will cause that divine marriage? >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> p.s. For those fans of Noam Chomsky. He's being interviewed today on >> the >>>> PRI program 'On Point." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:31 AM, David Thomas wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 9/28/10 9:48 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If you had a point to make other than to show me how much I do not >> know, >>>>>> please explain it. >>>>> >>>>> I was only pointing to other takes on the "Mary" thought experiment >> that >>>>> might clear up (or add) to your puzzlement. >>>>> >>>>> I do think though that attempts by science and philosophy to >> simultaneously >>>>> solve the "hard problems" of "Quantum Enigma" and "Consciousness >> Enigma" are >>>>> doomed to fail philosophically until the science in both fields >> advances. I >>>>> also think part of the reason behind the claim that "philosophy is >> dead" is >>>>> that the specialized areas of science are so varied and technically >>>>> difficult in the domains of the "hard problems" that no individual >>>>> philosopher, short of a savant, can acquire the detailed depth of >>>>> understanding necessary in each of the scientific fields required to be >> able >>>>> to integrate their advances into a coherent whole. It will have to be a >>>>> combined effort. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > > > -- > parser > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
