arglmpfff!! 2010/9/28 MarshaV <[email protected]>
> > A reified I-don't-know? > > > On Sep 28, 2010, at 1:43 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote: > > > nobody knows! > > > > 2010/9/28 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > > >> > >> And what is gravity? > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sep 28, 2010, at 1:28 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote: > >> > >>> Voices are whispering in the background scenery of science, > >> Marsha,...maybe > >>> the spin is the parent of gravity. > >>> Rumours! > >>> > >>> 2010/9/28 MarshaV <[email protected]> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Ian, > >>>> > >>>> Wouldn't it be fun to be a fly on the wall at that conference! > >>>> > >>>> The book is interesting. It's an introduction and survey, and at this > >>>> point perfect for my amateur understanding. I've gone through four > >>>> lecture series on various aspects of quantum science (for > >> non-scientists), > >>>> and this is the first presentation of the quantum enigma, and in a > clear > >>>> voice. It's thrilling. I would listen to the professor lecturing and > >> want > >>>> to > >>>> throw things at them, because they spoke as if their words were fact > >>>> beyond question. This book was a pleasant relief from scientific > >>>> materialism: "Spin is not just mathematical equations, it's real!" > >>>> > >>>> Good book! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Marsha > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Marsha, > >>>>> > >>>>> An interesting sounding book. I see Dave and others have pointed you > >>>>> to the many "Mary the Colour Scientist" / Qualia references. > >>>>> > >>>>> You should also note that Chalmers was previously a star part of the > >>>>> Arizona "Science of Consciousness" brigade - with Hofstader and > >>>>> Hameroff and others - the wedding of quantum science with > neuroscience > >>>>> and philosophy has been pretty much their whole agenda for 15 years > >>>>> (since almost exactly the same moment Pirsig was involved in the > >>>>> Einstein meets Magritte conference.) I notice also that Buddhism is > on > >>>>> the agenda for their next conference. What goes around comes around. > >>>>> > >>>>> Ian > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:09 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dave, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Maybe when quantum philosophy weds Neurophilosophy? What kind of > >>>>>> circumstances will cause that divine marriage? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Marsha > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> p.s. For those fans of Noam Chomsky. He's being interviewed today > on > >>>> the > >>>>>> PRI program 'On Point." > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:31 AM, David Thomas wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 9/28/10 9:48 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If you had a point to make other than to show me how much I do not > >>>> know, > >>>>>>>> please explain it. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I was only pointing to other takes on the "Mary" thought experiment > >>>> that > >>>>>>> might clear up (or add) to your puzzlement. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I do think though that attempts by science and philosophy to > >>>> simultaneously > >>>>>>> solve the "hard problems" of "Quantum Enigma" and "Consciousness > >>>> Enigma" are > >>>>>>> doomed to fail philosophically until the science in both fields > >>>> advances. I > >>>>>>> also think part of the reason behind the claim that "philosophy is > >>>> dead" is > >>>>>>> that the specialized areas of science are so varied and technically > >>>>>>> difficult in the domains of the "hard problems" that no individual > >>>>>>> philosopher, short of a savant, can acquire the detailed depth of > >>>>>>> understanding necessary in each of the scientific fields required > to > >> be > >>>> able > >>>>>>> to integrate their advances into a coherent whole. It will have to > be > >> a > >>>>>>> combined effort. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dave > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>>>>> Archives: > >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ___ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>>>> Archives: > >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>>>>> > >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>>> Archives: > >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ___ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>> Archives: > >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> parser > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>> Archives: > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> > >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > parser > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
