On 9/28/10 12:30 PM, "John Carl" <[email protected]> wrote: >> [ Dave] >> I do think though that attempts by science and philosophy to simultaneously >> solve the "hard problems" of "Quantum Enigma" and "Consciousness Enigma" >> are doomed to fail philosophically until the science in both fields advances. > [John] > Well the advances science needs to make are philosophical, metaphysical > advances. I'm not sure scientific advances would help philosophy much, > since the "scientific" as we know it is built upon a shaky foundation. This is the standard MoQ party line. But in science, RMP allows, "That the pencil is mightier than the pen because it has an eraser." And in the last 20 or so years both ends of science's pencil have been very busy repairing and building not just new foundations but whole new stories. While the philosopher's pencils keep trying to catch up. >> [Dave] >> I also think part of the reason behind the claim that "philosophy is dead" is >> that the specialized areas of science are so varied and technically >> difficult in the domains of the "hard problems" that no individual >> philosopher, short of a savant, can acquire the detailed depth of >> understanding necessary in each of the scientific fields required to be >> able to integrate their advances into a coherent whole. It will have to be a >> combined effort. > [John] > I disagree. First, I disagree with anyone who says philosophy is dead. I > mean, duh, that's a very philosophically significant statement - and thus a > blatant self-contradiction, to start with. But more to the point, I think > the "hard problems" can be solved easily, with the right frame of mind. The > only problem then, is bringing scientists to the right frame of mind. [Dave] And this "right frame of mind" is accomplished through, Buddhism? The MoQ? Pragmatism by Royce? James? Some pasted together combination of all of the above or more? Sounds like Platt-i-tudes to me. Just change your mind and your life will be "born again." Where have I heard that before?
It very easy to agree, the Noble Eightfold Path: right understanding, right thought, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right concentration, are powerful ideas, worthy goals with universal appeal to scientists and non. It's yet another thing to suppose that being in the "right state of mind," say "Nibb?na", while drowning makes you suffer much less or dodges death in this reality. It easy to say that "Quality is reality" it hard to see how believing this solves the "hard problems" of science like consciousness or quantum indeterminacy. Dave Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
